ADF, or Those Elitist Pagan Punks!

[saint dreya]

TeaDidikai

Is there any guideline for ethics (outside of the bloodletting) when it comes to taking from other cultures for public ritual?

context and verifiability, as far as guidelines go, but i don't think it would be considered ethics. much of what has been constructed has pulled from multiple cultures where something seems to be fairly prominent.

when it comes to offending the Kindreds, during each ritual we offer a piacular sacrifice. it has on occasion been thrown back at us. in that event, we either consider if there were unused offerings or forgotten ones, or end the ritual right then and attempt to deduce what went wrong.  

[TeaDidikai]

phoenix shadowwolf

when it comes to offending the Kindreds, during each ritual we offer a piacular sacrifice. it has on occasion been thrown back at us. in that event, we either consider if there were unused offerings or forgotten ones, or end the ritual right then and attempt to deduce what went wrong.

Interesting- are you able to discuss some instances of this?  

[saint dreya]

TeaDidikai

phoenix shadowwolf

when it comes to offending the Kindreds, during each ritual we offer a piacular sacrifice. it has on occasion been thrown back at us. in that event, we either consider if there were unused offerings or forgotten ones, or end the ritual right then and attempt to deduce what went wrong.

Interesting- are you able to discuss some instances of this?

certainly. the most recent being our blessing rite on 8/18.

as part of our ritual order, we always have a piacular sacrifice lined up. this particular saturday was feeling a little less than it usually does, and when the Celebrant went to put the three incense sticks for that saturday's piacular, one broke and one fell as soon as it was placed. it might not sound like much, but added to the distinct feeling of not being connected, the celebrant asked us if any had intended on making offerings and had not.

there were a few who had grabbed for something but had not made them during the praise offering part, so they came up again, and meanwhile a friend and i remembered that another member had left halfway through the ceremony, so i made a sacrifice in her name to her patron.

if that wasn't enough, when the celebrant went to take the omen, one of the things given was struggle.

talking with her after, she said all the Kindred were yelling at her when it came time for the piacular. i told her if it happens again, she needs to end the ritual. at least when it comes to taking the omens, if it is not good and it indicated the Kindreds do not accept the sacrifice, we are supposed to simply end the rite. stands to reason the piacular should follow suit.  

[patch99329]

Intersting stuff!

Is ADF another druid order? Or is it an offshoot/something else completely to druidry?  

[saint dreya]

patch99329

Intersting stuff!

Is ADF another druid order? Or is it an offshoot/something else completely to druidry?

sadly, it is considered another druid order. once i flesh out how i want the post to appear, i'll lay out my opinions, experience and conversations with other members upon that word.

technically, it is an offshoot of Reformed Druids of North America (RDNA), and Keltria hived from ADF. Order of Bards, Ovates and Druids (OBOD) is completely seperate, although some members belong to both (which is also the case with the Troth).  

[CuAnnan]

phoenix shadowwolf

Ár nDraíocht Féin, as it is translated, means literally "our own magic". Depending on who you speak with, they might take it as "our own path", or even the common "our own Druidry" (more on the use of the word "Druid" later).

The only valid translations of "ár ndraíocht féin" are "our own magic" or "our own druidry". "Our own path" would translate to "ár slí féin".
(Don't worry, I'm not going to bring my personal crusade into your thread)  

[saint dreya]

Cuchullain

phoenix shadowwolf

Ár nDraíocht Féin, as it is translated, means literally "our own magic". Depending on who you speak with, they might take it as "our own path", or even the common "our own Druidry" (more on the use of the word "Druid" later).

The only valid translations of "ár ndraíocht féin" are "our own magic" or "our own druidry". "Our own path" would translate to "ár slí féin".
(Don't worry, I'm not going to bring my personal crusade into your thread)

no worries, really. most of my dissension with the use of the d-word is linked back to you and Tea. you both made valid points and am in the process of coming up with an alternate title.  

[RubyLight]

TheTroth? Are you saying that some members of ADF are Asatru as well?  

[SweetAngelOokami]

RubyLight

TheTroth? Are you saying that some members of ADF are Asatru as well?

Hope saint dreya doesn't mind me peeking in. *is also an ADF-er*

Yes, ADF is a Pan-Indo-European group of sorts. We call the pantheon a group or individual works with their hearth culture and any culture within the Indo-European group is considered acceptable for public rites (many members worship non-Indo-European deities in their private practice). So we have Norse members, Hellenic members, etc. and a lot of people also maintain memberships in groups whose focus in on their hearth culture (like The Troth, Neokoroi, Hellenion, etc.).  

[RubyLight]

Sorry, I've found the answer to my second question. I can't edit my post. sweatdrop  

[saint dreya]

RubyLight

TheTroth? Are you saying that some members of ADF are Asatru as well?

yeppers. myself, the Senior Druid of my grove, her husband, and five others in our grove. pretty much, my local Kindred (Troth community) are also members of ADF.

i'm just so new to it that i don't quite have near the knowledge that Deo and Ulfrikr and don't feel comfortable speaking about the Germanic aspect.

SweetAngelOokami

Hope saint dreya doesn't mind me peeking in. *is also an ADF-er*

no mind at all - are you a solitary or do you have a local grove?

SweetAngelOokami

Yes, ADF is a Pan-Indo-European group of sorts. We call the pantheon a group or individual works with their hearth culture and any culture within the Indo-European group is considered acceptable for public rites (many members worship non-Indo-European deities in their private practice). So we have Norse members, Hellenic members, etc. and a lot of people also maintain memberships in groups whose focus in on their hearth culture (like The Troth, Neokoroi, Hellenion, etc.).

exactly!

RubyLight

Sorry, I've found the answer to my second question. I can't edit my post. sweatdrop

no worries, smile  

[saint dreya]

put some updates and added commentary! yay for personal opinions!

use of the word "druid" is still forthcoming.