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 Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:41 pm
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Ascher zz1000zz Aww. Poor Ascher! *pokes repeatedly* Does that help? *Is already snoring on the couch* Goodnight! ^_^
Goodnight Mr. Sleepypants! |
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:21 pm
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:24 pm
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:24 pm
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:27 pm
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:34 pm
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celebie.exe The whole selfish comment. What about it. I need not be selfish in order to life. I live as of now for others. Sure I want things, I am willing to share those things.
The key part of your post was this.
Quote: I live as of now for others.
If you take this stance, i suppose you are not living for yourself. However, if you live entirely for others, you cease to be meaningful. You, as an individual no longer have any purpose. Yes, you could argue you are not being selfish. However, if you live entirely for others, suicide could easily become the appropriate course of action. By being completely selfless, you have no say in whether you live or die.
So sure, you can live without being selfish. However, you lose all meaning if you do. |
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:44 pm
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zz1000zz celebie.exe The whole selfish comment. What about it. I need not be selfish in order to life. I live as of now for others. Sure I want things, I am willing to share those things. The key part of your post was this. Quote: I live as of now for others. If you take this stance, i suppose you are not living for yourself. However, if you live entirely for others, you cease to be meaningful. You, as an individual no longer have any purpose. Yes, you could argue you are not being selfish. However, if you live entirely for others, suicide could easily become the appropriate course of action. By being completely selfless, you have no say in whether you live or die. So sure, you can live without being selfish. However, you lose all meaning if you do.
0o; It's a carefully constructed verbal trap that I'm too tired to deconstruct at the moment. |
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:48 pm
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:54 pm
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:54 pm
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lurichan zz1000zz celebie.exe The whole selfish comment. What about it. I need not be selfish in order to life. I live as of now for others. Sure I want things, I am willing to share those things. The key part of your post was this. Quote: I live as of now for others. If you take this stance, i suppose you are not living for yourself. However, if you live entirely for others, you cease to be meaningful. You, as an individual no longer have any purpose. Yes, you could argue you are not being selfish. However, if you live entirely for others, suicide could easily become the appropriate course of action. By being completely selfless, you have no say in whether you live or die. So sure, you can live without being selfish. However, you lose all meaning if you do. 0o; It's a carefully constructed verbal trap that I'm too tired to deconstruct at the moment.
Verbal trap? Only in that i could have made it simpler. The basic premise is quite true. In fact, i think i will rephrase it.
A certain degree of selfishness is required for a human to live as we know it. This is because selfishness is required both for survival, and for self awareness. The first is obvious, but the second may not be. If one is self aware, his/her natural survival instincts will take the form of selfishness. To this degree, there is nothing wrong with being selfish. It is required to survive, as are instincts in an animal.
If instead, one decided to live entirely for something else, (s)he sacrifices these survival instincts. Instead, you replace the instincts, or selfishness, with something else. Perhaps it is loyalty to a god, person or cause. No matter to what you devote yourself, you are giving up a core part of yourself to something else. By sacrificing your survival instincts, your selfishness, you give up the part of yourself that makes you live. While you may find a replacement, you will still have given up an essential part of you, namely your individuality.
I am not sure it would be possible to truly lose all selfishness, but if you did you would not truly be human. Of course, this is in part a matter of semantics, as survival instincts are only selfish in the most literal interpretations.
Woah, i ramble too much. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:00 am
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zz1000zz celebie.exe The whole selfish comment. What about it. I need not be selfish in order to life. I live as of now for others. Sure I want things, I am willing to share those things. The key part of your post was this. Quote: I live as of now for others. If you take this stance, i suppose you are not living for yourself. However, if you live entirely for others, you cease to be meaningful. You, as an individual no longer have any purpose. Yes, you could argue you are not being selfish. However, if you live entirely for others, suicide could easily become the appropriate course of action. By being completely selfless, you have no say in whether you live or die. So sure, you can live without being selfish. However, you lose all meaning if you do.
It is 3am give me a break. I have been argueing with you for the last 5 hours. I am tired. You win. I am incoherant. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:03 am
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:03 am
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:06 am
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