Worst Things You Can Ever Say As A Pagan

[Molly Mollusca]

"First off, I'm gonna start this post off with saying that I don't want to undermine the power of Highpriestesses over the world and their role in the lifes of many wiccans.

And I want to say that this post is in no way me trying to level the high priestesses of this world with fishsticks and christmastrees and tractors.

But I am a solitairy wicca, i've initiated myself and with out shame I can say that I didn't need any other wicca to do that. "
WTF??? Fishsticks? gonk  

[TeaDidikai]

Elfin Brill

"First off, I'm gonna start this post off with saying that I don't want to undermine the power of Highpriestesses over the world and their role in the lifes of many wiccans.

And I want to say that this post is in no way me trying to level the high priestesses of this world with fishsticks and christmastrees and tractors.

But I am a solitairy wicca, i've initiated myself and with out shame I can say that I didn't need any other wicca to do that. "
WTF??? Fishsticks? gonk

There is a long pagan tradition of Trouting- which was stolen from the Catholics. Instead of beating someone to a pulp out of agner- you hit them across the face with a Trout.

It is so funny in practice, it doesn't violate the Wiccan Rede. 3nodding  

[Henry Dorsett Case]

I've grown tired of this scene, which I have seen repeated far too often...
Guy 1: "You're wrong because of this definition."
Guy 2: "That definition is wrong."
Guy 1: "It's not my definition - take it up with the guy that wrote it!"  

[TeaDidikai]

Henry Dorsett Case

I've grown tired of this scene, which I have seen repeated far too often...
Guy 1: "You're wrong because of this definition."
Guy 2: "That definition is wrong."
Guy 1: "It's not my definition - take it up with the guy that wrote it!"

This is somewhat valid.

Look at the shift in the Wicca debate.  

[Henry Dorsett Case]

TeaDidikai

This is somewhat valid.

Contested.
Refusal to defend your position when your definition is proven wrong, instead leading your opponent to "take it up with" the person who wrote the incorrect definition, is not a valid debate tactic. You have now stopped debating altogether and are instead hoping that your sources will debate for you. Invalidation of a source or definition should be met with a new, less impeachable source or definition, or an outright concession. The problem is that too many people respond with the equivalent of "I'm basing my position on someone else's statement; if they're wrong, I'm still right." or "Hey! Don't be mean to me for repeating bullshit as fact, or I'll tell my mommy!". The person offering up the false definition is then attempting to shield themselves from repercussion by directing all opprobium to their sources, rather than their own inability to provide useful facts and evidence in the course of debate.  

[Fiddlers Green]

Ah, the subtle dance between siting one's sources and appealing to authority. sweatdrop

Edit: xd Wikipedia lists siting Wikipedia as an example of the logic fallacy of Argumentum ad Verecundiam. rofl  

[TeaDidikai]

Henry Dorsett Case

TeaDidikai

This is somewhat valid.

Contested.
Refusal to defend your position when your definition is proven wrong, instead leading your opponent to "take it up with" the person who wrote the incorrect definition, is not a valid debate tactic.

Except- no matter which side says this, it can either be an appeal to authority or an appeal to tradition.

Quote:

You have now stopped debating altogether and are instead hoping that your sources will debate for you. Invalidation of a source or definition should be met with a new, less impeachable source or definition, or an outright concession.

Problem. Validity of a source (in this case for a definition) can be contested, and this argument needs more context to identify the fallacy in play.

Quote:

The problem is that too many people respond with the equivalent of "I'm basing my position on someone else's statement; if they're wrong, I'm still right."

That would be a completely different fallacy all together- which isn't indicated in your post.

Your intial statment lacks the context needed to cite who is being fallacious- thus your post can be valid.

For example- if Guy 1 in this case is citing Gardner's use of Wicca, Gardner as an Authority as to the application of the term is a valid argument.

If Guy 1 is citing Silver Ravenwolf- then there is a problem.

If Guy 2 is citing Garnder to discount the individual who is citing Ravenwolf, then you have an appeal to authority countered by a legit source.

If Guy 2 is citing Ravenwolf to discount Gardner- then you have an appeal to popularity/authority.  

[Henry Dorsett Case]

"Harry Potter is Wiccan!"  

[Aesi]

eek "My High Priest made a prophecy about me. I'm gonna be the next Hitler!"  

[Henry Dorsett Case]

Aesi

eek "My High Priest made a prophecy about me. I'm gonna be the next Hitler!"

Ba-pssh. Hitler's small potatoes. Nostradamus prophecied about me, specifically - and I'm the Anti-Christ! You just wait 'til I'm out of high school!  

[Molly Mollusca]

Henry Dorsett Case

Aesi

eek "My High Priest made a prophecy about me. I'm gonna be the next Hitler!"

Ba-pssh. Hitler's small potatoes. Nostradamus prophecied about me, specifically - and I'm the Anti-Christ! You just wait 'til I'm out of high school!

"I cannot recall making any prophecies about you? "  

[iolitefire]

Ello!
This is my first post in this guild but I've been reading stuffs. I have to say, this thread is frickin' awesome. Here's my input

"I was actually a powerful deamon (lol, spelling) in my past life because a guy told me so on instant messenger!"


Sadly that really came out of someone's mouth....and she was serious. yikes. gonk  

[Ezinu]

"my split personality is a demon who says your blessed by Dagon!" oh the things i have put up with.  

[Kuroiban]

"I'm juggling souls" *idiot waves hand around in a juggling patterns* "You can't see them cause their invisable!"

This is based on a true story...and by based I mean the true story was worse. xp  

[WitchyBoy]

"Merlins got nuthin on me!" neutral