The Lizardmen

[Reddemon]

Asian_Slipknot

Reddemon

Drachyench_The_Eternal

Reddemon

Drachyench_The_Eternal

I believe Sarusu can take a Sacred Spawning, as can Lords. 2 for the lords and 2 Infantry units with the Dispel Marking can generate 4 Dice, making 6. Not much, but still...

Or just stick with 4 units with the marks along with the 2 Hero's, for a grand total of 8 Dispel dice, which MAY be okay at 4K points.

With just 2 Dispel, even Ogres will own the magic phase...

True, but I dont face much magic in my games, though with a Teezncth lord and greater demon comming up soon, I think I'll take a few sacred spwanings of the dispelling variatey. I also have a Sarus mounted on cold one hero, which once I get the book, will probly the most tooled out hero I will ever own, barring a orge

Who will be killed in a challenge because a lucky hit made him WS1 and auto-strike last. Then procede to take 4 attacks needing 3's to hit and 3's to wound.

I'm not too worried about that xp

Well he can always spend 25 points for the sword of the hornet, which i prefer because it allows him to strike against many units first seeing that he has a lame initiativeof 3.

Maybe, I'm going to have to get the dex to figure all this stuff out  

[Drachyench]

Asian_Slipknot

Reddemon

Drachyench_The_Eternal

Reddemon

Drachyench_The_Eternal

I believe Sarusu can take a Sacred Spawning, as can Lords. 2 for the lords and 2 Infantry units with the Dispel Marking can generate 4 Dice, making 6. Not much, but still...

Or just stick with 4 units with the marks along with the 2 Hero's, for a grand total of 8 Dispel dice, which MAY be okay at 4K points.

With just 2 Dispel, even Ogres will own the magic phase...

True, but I dont face much magic in my games, though with a Teezncth lord and greater demon comming up soon, I think I'll take a few sacred spwanings of the dispelling variatey. I also have a Sarus mounted on cold one hero, which once I get the book, will probly the most tooled out hero I will ever own, barring a orge

Who will be killed in a challenge because a lucky hit made him WS1 and auto-strike last. Then procede to take 4 attacks needing 3's to hit and 3's to wound.

I'm not too worried about that xp

Well he can always spend 25 points for the sword of the hornet, which i prefer because it allows him to strike against many units first seeing that he has a lame initiativeof 3.

Eadbut, Borgut Special Rule, Challenge only. Before ANY other attacks are made at the beginning of the challenge, Borgut makes a single attack. If this attack hits it counts as S7. If this attack wounds and the opponnent fails his save, he automatically strikes last and at WS1, regardless of other Bonus'. After that, you got a character with a WS5 (3's to hit now), S 6 (3's to Wound), 4 attacks (So 2 hits, 1-2 wounds), and a 1+ save that he can re-roll. Assuming you survive, I believe an Old Blood (Hero) is WS5 (May be 6, which it probably is). 3 Attacks, of which 2 will hit on average. 4's to wound (Borgut is T5). Thus, one wound on Borgut. Borgut takes a 3+ save, with a re-roll. Even if it failed, both caused at least 1 wound (Assuming Borguts attacks didn't kill the Champion before he attacks). Borgut is a beast in challenges. Plus the fact that his whole unit will probably have equal stats for the most part as a Saurus Warriors unit (Everything will have WS4, S &T 4, 2 attacks each for their equips), the fact that Orcs are cheaper then Saurus, and you get something that beats the leader.

Then again, goes to show that you need Borgut with a Unit of Big'Uns to beat a Saurus Hero/Lord, on average... Lizards are pretty tough.

You may want some Chameleon skinks, Redd, as the Scout and new shooting rules mean any non-united Wizard will be mincemeat (Unless it's a Tzeentch).  

[Daicon]

Well, and Old-Blood is a Lord choice... Scar-Vet's are your Saurus hero. They do have WS 5 as you first stated, but they have 4 attacks, and not 3. Combine this with the Blessed Spawing of Sotek and... I forget the name of the weapon now but it confers +3 attacks. Mount that Scar-Vet on a Cold One and we now have one beast of a Hero charging in with 8 attacks at strength five. biggrin  

[Lethkhar]

Drachyench_The_Eternal

Asian_Slipknot

Reddemon

Drachyench_The_Eternal

Reddemon

Drachyench_The_Eternal

I believe Sarusu can take a Sacred Spawning, as can Lords. 2 for the lords and 2 Infantry units with the Dispel Marking can generate 4 Dice, making 6. Not much, but still...

Or just stick with 4 units with the marks along with the 2 Hero's, for a grand total of 8 Dispel dice, which MAY be okay at 4K points.

With just 2 Dispel, even Ogres will own the magic phase...

True, but I dont face much magic in my games, though with a Teezncth lord and greater demon comming up soon, I think I'll take a few sacred spwanings of the dispelling variatey. I also have a Sarus mounted on cold one hero, which once I get the book, will probly the most tooled out hero I will ever own, barring a orge

Who will be killed in a challenge because a lucky hit made him WS1 and auto-strike last. Then procede to take 4 attacks needing 3's to hit and 3's to wound.

I'm not too worried about that xp

Well he can always spend 25 points for the sword of the hornet, which i prefer because it allows him to strike against many units first seeing that he has a lame initiativeof 3.

Eadbut, Borgut Special Rule, Challenge only. Before ANY other attacks are made at the beginning of the challenge, Borgut makes a single attack. If this attack hits it counts as S7. If this attack wounds and the opponnent fails his save, he automatically strikes last and at WS1, regardless of other Bonus'. After that, you got a character with a WS5 (3's to hit now), S 6 (3's to Wound), 4 attacks (So 2 hits, 1-2 wounds), and a 1+ save that he can re-roll. Assuming you survive, I believe an Old Blood (Hero) is WS5 (May be 6, which it probably is). 3 Attacks, of which 2 will hit on average. 4's to wound (Borgut is T5). Thus, one wound on Borgut. Borgut takes a 3+ save, with a re-roll. Even if it failed, both caused at least 1 wound (Assuming Borguts attacks didn't kill the Champion before he attacks). Borgut is a beast in challenges. Plus the fact that his whole unit will probably have equal stats for the most part as a Saurus Warriors unit (Everything will have WS4, S &T 4, 2 attacks each for their equips), the fact that Orcs are cheaper then Saurus, and you get something that beats the leader.

Then again, goes to show that you need Borgut with a Unit of Big'Uns to beat a Saurus Hero/Lord, on average... Lizards are pretty tough.

You may want some Chameleon skinks, Redd, as the Scout and new shooting rules mean any non-united Wizard will be mincemeat (Unless it's a Tzeentch).

"If this attack wounds and the opponnent fails his save, he automatically strikes last and at WS1"

Does that mean that he attacks at WS1, but can defend with his normal WS?  

[Drachyench]

Lethkhar

Drachyench_The_Eternal

Asian_Slipknot

Reddemon

Drachyench_The_Eternal

Who will be killed in a challenge because a lucky hit made him WS1 and auto-strike last. Then procede to take 4 attacks needing 3's to hit and 3's to wound.

I'm not too worried about that xp

Well he can always spend 25 points for the sword of the hornet, which i prefer because it allows him to strike against many units first seeing that he has a lame initiativeof 3.

Eadbut, Borgut Special Rule, Challenge only. Before ANY other attacks are made at the beginning of the challenge, Borgut makes a single attack. If this attack hits it counts as S7. If this attack wounds and the opponnent fails his save, he automatically strikes last and at WS1, regardless of other Bonus'. After that, you got a character with a WS5 (3's to hit now), S 6 (3's to Wound), 4 attacks (So 2 hits, 1-2 wounds), and a 1+ save that he can re-roll. Assuming you survive, I believe an Old Blood (Hero) is WS5 (May be 6, which it probably is). 3 Attacks, of which 2 will hit on average. 4's to wound (Borgut is T5). Thus, one wound on Borgut. Borgut takes a 3+ save, with a re-roll. Even if it failed, both caused at least 1 wound (Assuming Borguts attacks didn't kill the Champion before he attacks). Borgut is a beast in challenges. Plus the fact that his whole unit will probably have equal stats for the most part as a Saurus Warriors unit (Everything will have WS4, S &T 4, 2 attacks each for their equips), the fact that Orcs are cheaper then Saurus, and you get something that beats the leader.

Then again, goes to show that you need Borgut with a Unit of Big'Uns to beat a Saurus Hero/Lord, on average... Lizards are pretty tough.

You may want some Chameleon skinks, Redd, as the Scout and new shooting rules mean any non-united Wizard will be mincemeat (Unless it's a Tzeentch).

"If this attack wounds and the opponnent fails his save, he automatically strikes last and at WS1"

Does that mean that he attacks at WS1, but can defend with his normal WS?

Means, for the round of the combat the 'eadbut hit, that the Hero hit is WS 1 for both hitting and being hit. Thus, he'd need 5's to hit Borgut.  

[Reddemon]

I am thinking of taking some skinks. And my Old blood will have the flaming weapon, meaning no saves!  

[Drachyench]

Reddemon

I am thinking of taking some skinks. And my Old blood will have the flaming weapon, meaning no saves!

No saves? You mean no Regeneration, right?

Flaming only negates regen, if it negated Saves, Bretonian archers would be the perfect chosen killers.

But yeah, skinks work quite well.  

[Reddemon]

Drachyench_The_Eternal

Reddemon

I am thinking of taking some skinks. And my Old blood will have the flaming weapon, meaning no saves!

No saves? You mean no Regeneration, right?

Flaming only negates regen, if it negated Saves, Bretonian archers would be the perfect chosen killers.

But yeah, skinks work quite well.

I thought it did XD  

[EliotJamesRookwood]

Reddemon

Drachyench_The_Eternal

Reddemon

I am thinking of taking some skinks. And my Old blood will have the flaming weapon, meaning no saves!

No saves? You mean no Regeneration, right?

Flaming only negates regen, if it negated Saves, Bretonian archers would be the perfect chosen killers.

But yeah, skinks work quite well.

I thought it did XD

No the flaming weapon you seek also gives you two additional -2 to armour saves, meaning with S 5 you have -4 armour saves, making the armour save modifier effectively strength 7. All troop armour is gone, and even the best armour isn't as effective.  

[Drachyench]

EliotJamesRookwood

Reddemon

Drachyench_The_Eternal

Reddemon

I am thinking of taking some skinks. And my Old blood will have the flaming weapon, meaning no saves!

No saves? You mean no Regeneration, right?

Flaming only negates regen, if it negated Saves, Bretonian archers would be the perfect chosen killers.

But yeah, skinks work quite well.

I thought it did XD

No the flaming weapon you seek also gives you two additional -2 to armour saves, meaning with S 5 you have -4 armour saves, making the armour save modifier effectively strength 7. All troop armour is gone, and even the best armour isn't as effective.

That's where Ward Saves and Re-Rolls come in. XP 1 - 4 = 5+, with a reroll. Plus Ward saves can be nice.

Yeah, only problem with Saurus is they're expensive, I believe.

+3 Attacks? Jeeze, most armies either get a +2 (For 50 magic points!) or a D6 additional (At 75-100). Saurus can be cheesy. Ah well, my response? Charge mah Nightgoblins with fanatics.

Or the WS 7 S6 Skarsnic. That's fine too.  

[EliotJamesRookwood]

Drachyench_The_Eternal

EliotJamesRookwood

Reddemon

Drachyench_The_Eternal

Reddemon

I am thinking of taking some skinks. And my Old blood will have the flaming weapon, meaning no saves!

No saves? You mean no Regeneration, right?

Flaming only negates regen, if it negated Saves, Bretonian archers would be the perfect chosen killers.

But yeah, skinks work quite well.

I thought it did XD

No the flaming weapon you seek also gives you two additional -2 to armour saves, meaning with S 5 you have -4 armour saves, making the armour save modifier effectively strength 7. All troop armour is gone, and even the best armour isn't as effective.

That's where Ward Saves and Re-Rolls come in. XP 1 - 4 = 5+, with a reroll. Plus Ward saves can be nice.

Yeah, only problem with Saurus is they're expensive, I believe.

+3 Attacks? Jeeze, most armies either get a +2 (For 50 magic points!) or a D6 additional (At 75-100). Saurus can be cheesy. Ah well, my response? Charge mah Nightgoblins with fanatics.

Or the WS 7 S6 Skarsnic. That's fine too.

Well, he could easily magic that unit to death, and blowpipe the fanatic, they are only immune to close combat hits, not shooting.

On a Carnosaur a Saurus Old Blood can deal with any Orc on equal, if not better footing. This is taking to account the Orc is riding something too, if it isn't, its simply gone.  

[Reddemon]

EliotJamesRookwood

Drachyench_The_Eternal

EliotJamesRookwood

Reddemon

Drachyench_The_Eternal

Reddemon

I am thinking of taking some skinks. And my Old blood will have the flaming weapon, meaning no saves!

No saves? You mean no Regeneration, right?

Flaming only negates regen, if it negated Saves, Bretonian archers would be the perfect chosen killers.

But yeah, skinks work quite well.

I thought it did XD

No the flaming weapon you seek also gives you two additional -2 to armour saves, meaning with S 5 you have -4 armour saves, making the armour save modifier effectively strength 7. All troop armour is gone, and even the best armour isn't as effective.

That's where Ward Saves and Re-Rolls come in. XP 1 - 4 = 5+, with a reroll. Plus Ward saves can be nice.

Yeah, only problem with Saurus is they're expensive, I believe.

+3 Attacks? Jeeze, most armies either get a +2 (For 50 magic points!) or a D6 additional (At 75-100). Saurus can be cheesy. Ah well, my response? Charge mah Nightgoblins with fanatics.

Or the WS 7 S6 Skarsnic. That's fine too.

Well, he could easily magic that unit to death, and blowpipe the fanatic, they are only immune to close combat hits, not shooting.

On a Carnosaur a Saurus Old Blood can deal with any Orc on equal, if not better footing. This is taking to account the Orc is riding something too, if it isn't, its simply gone.

What about a Wyvren?  

[Daicon]

A carnosaur would tear a Wyvern apart thanks to it's Ultimate Predator special rule. All wounds become d3 wounds against large targets. XD Eat that.  

[Reddemon]

Good, as a buddy of mine wants a Black orc on Wyvern. Now I can have the sword of strength and the fire blade on my hero right? And being mounted adds to his armour I think. I've only ever played hiem, so I'm not 100% on all the fanasty rules  

[Drachyench]

Reddemon

Good, as a buddy of mine wants a Black orc on Wyvern. Now I can have the sword of strength and the fire blade on my hero right? And being mounted adds to his armour I think. I've only ever played hiem, so I'm not 100% on all the fanasty rules

If your friend was smart, he'd not charge that knowing how dangerous it'd be. he'd fly the Wyvern 20" a turn and either block charges, or get decent flank/rear charges, negating ranks with his Unit Strength 5/6 and use his Terror.

If you get into combat uninjured though with the hero (Meaning no Fanatics or Spear Chukka's hit you), by average stats, you should win.