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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:55 pm
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"Straight, macho Taki and shy, effeminate Goh are an expert team of bandits hired by the police to steal from the mafia." "What begins as a drunken lark soon becomes a passionate affair. But Renji and Youichi aren’t really gay… or are they?"
The above quotes have been brought to you from yaoi manga. Both rated 18+, both, I assume, containing graphic consensual gay sex. Correct me if I'm wrong -- but I think you get the point. Keeping an eye on the BL industry lately, it seems as if more and more series, especially those being translated and released by DMP's June imprint, are about.. straight guys. Sorry, what?
Now, I'm well aware of closeted gays. If this were merely a case of main characters trying to convince themselves they liked girls, well, maybe this thread would be about the lack of self-identified gays. But that ain't the case, and this thread asks: where my gay guys at?
We've got back-cover summaries and omniscient narrators telling me, this guy who ends up in bed with this other guy in volume four? He is a first-rate 100% heterosexual, no doubt about it. And here's his boyfriend. This is where I have a problem: if he is heterosexual, he isn't going to turn gay, no matter how hot the other guy is. Say he's questioning, fine, unsure, even in denial -- but he is NOT straight.
What is this? What's going on?
Me, personally, mucking around with this kind of stuff, even in fiction and even for humorous purposes, it just pisses me off. Saying a character is straight but in love with a man -- pisses me off. Saying a character used to be straight until he met Mr. Right -- pisses me off. He could've thought he was straight. Wished he was straight. But he wasn't.
Is this an extension of that "BL gives the fangirl a chance to insert herself into the mind of one of the boys, without having to be jealous of a female character" thing? Are we so desperate to have our fantasies that we claim these guys are straight, even though they're screwing each other? Or do we, in fact, no longer like straight guys? Are we convincing ourselves they can become gay? Is this the product of a massive fangirl conspiracy to turn all male heterosexuals into raging fairies?
The above questions are jokes. (Well, not the first one so much.) My question to you is this: what the hell is happening to our gay porn that it no longer involves gay men?
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:31 pm
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:49 pm
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:43 pm
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:21 pm
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Sushii-Princess Well, It CAN be a bit annoying when everyone pretends to be straight in every single series. But I still think it's rather cute when they are in denial... ^^;; Sushii believes that all human beings are bisexual, a straight woman can fall in love with another woman, a straight man can fall in love with another man, and so on, it just depends on what they are generally more attracted to. I think that an equal balance is the best thing to go for. Some of the characters can claim to be straight, but not too many. Sorry, I don't get what you mean. To me, you're born as whatever you are, and that could be straight, bi, gay, pan, asexual.. whatever. That kind of label is your potential: if you could potentially fall in love with only the same gender, gay. If you could fall in love with anyone, pan. Only those who are strictly male or female, bi.
So, by my understanding, a straight woman could never fall in love with a woman. Sure, a woman could fall in love with a woman, but then she wouldn't be straight.
As for the topic, I'm not talking about the characters themselves saying they're straight. I'm saying that when omniscient narrators say a character is straight, despite being with the same gender, something's up.
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:41 pm
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:49 pm
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:13 am
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:43 am
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Skizzors Sushii-Princess Well, It CAN be a bit annoying when everyone pretends to be straight in every single series. But I still think it's rather cute when they are in denial... ^^;; Sushii believes that all human beings are bisexual, a straight woman can fall in love with another woman, a straight man can fall in love with another man, and so on, it just depends on what they are generally more attracted to. I think that an equal balance is the best thing to go for. Some of the characters can claim to be straight, but not too many. Sorry, I don't get what you mean. To me, you're born as whatever you are, and that could be straight, bi, gay, pan, asexual.. whatever. That kind of label is your potential: if you could potentially fall in love with only the same gender, gay. If you could fall in love with anyone, pan. Only those who are strictly male or female, bi. So, by my understanding, a straight woman could never fall in love with a woman. Sure, a woman could fall in love with a woman, but then she wouldn't be straight. As for the topic, I'm not talking about the characters themselves saying they're straight. I'm saying that when omniscient narrators say a character is straight, despite being with the same gender, something's up.
What I mean is, you don't really have any control over who you fall in love with. I mean, I've only been attracted to boys so far, but who knows, maybe a really nice girl will come along and I'll start liking her? If that would happen, my straightness can do nothing to change that.
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:02 am
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:06 am
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:37 am
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:48 am
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Honestly? Angst. It's used for angst. "Oh noez! I might be attracted to him? Could I be gay? Gasp, shock, insert personal inner struggle here."
Or the romantic ideal of, "I didn't fall for you because you're a man, I fell in love with you for you." Which, don't get me wrong, is a beautiful ideal in theory, but it's not realistic. (Which, as many have said, BL/Yaoi is not in the first place.) If you are a man who fell in love with another man, you are gay to some degree. S'how it works.
It's not as if it's a huge turn-off when it's used, it's just a little far-fetched.
Once again, BL/Yaoi almost always is.
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:06 am
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:11 pm
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