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 Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:23 pm
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:28 pm
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"Gothic music" is an umbrella term used to describe all music related to (and including) goth-rock.
Basic history:
Wikipedia.org Goth-rock (also called gothic rock or simply goth) is a genre of rock music that developed during the late 1970s. Originally a label for a handful of punk rock/post-punk bands, goth began to be defined as a separate movement in the early 1980s. In contrast to punk bands' aggressive hard-driving music and style, the early gothic bands' music was more introspective, and dealt with dark aesthetics and literary movements such as gothic horror, Romanticism, existential philosophy, and nihilism. Notable gothic rock bands include Bauhaus, Siouxsie & the Banshees, The Cure, The Sisters of Mercy, and Fields of the Nephilim.
What does goth-rock sound like you may ask? Here's some good identifying factors:
-Light, stacatto drums (rims & cymbals in particular)
-Prominent, bold bass-guitar (typically holding the melody, unlike almost every other form of rock which has electric guitar holding the melody)
-Heavily distorted, warped, and swirling guitar
-Deep, crooning [male] vocal style (best represented by Peter Murphy, Ian Curtis, or Andrew Eldritch)
-High, wavering [female] vocal style (best represented by Melora Creager)
-Fluid, poetic lyrics, with such subjects as existentialism, love, life, death, and revenge.
Other factors which are common, but not definitive of the genre:
-Atmospheric keyboard instruments (piano, harpsichord, and pipe-organ are all equally common)
-Hollow, processed synthesizers
-Full latin choirs
-Multi-layered backing vocals
-Sweeping violins
-Ominous cello/concert-bass
Best examples of the genre's sound:
"Bela Lugosi's Dead" ~ Bauhaus
"Shadowplay" ~ Joy Division
"We're So Happy" ~ Danse Society
Why aren't Evanescence goth-rock?
A better question: how could they be? Evanescence quite simply has no similarities to the genre, save for some similarities of lyrical content.
-Goth-rock is really defined by the prominence of it's bass-guitar; Evanescence's bass-guitar almost can't be heard.
-Goth-rock has wavering, distorted guitars; Evanescence has loud, grinding, metal-style guitars.
-Evanescence has thrashing drums, as opposed to goth-rock's light stacatto drums.
-Amy Lee's voice is powerful, strong, and well-rounded, as opposed to goth-rock's leading ladies' wavering, high-pitched whispers.
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:58 pm
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GilAskan "Gothic music" is an umbrella term used to describe all music related to (and including) goth-rock. Basic history:Wikipedia.org Goth-rock (also called gothic rock or simply goth) is a genre of rock music that developed during the late 1970s. Originally a label for a handful of punk rock/post-punk bands, goth began to be defined as a separate movement in the early 1980s. In contrast to punk bands' aggressive hard-driving music and style, the early gothic bands' music was more introspective, and dealt with dark aesthetics and literary movements such as gothic horror, Romanticism, existential philosophy, and nihilism. Notable gothic rock bands include Bauhaus, Siouxsie & the Banshees, The Cure, The Sisters of Mercy, and Fields of the Nephilim. -Light, stacatto drums (rims & cymbals in particular) -Prominent, bold bass-guitar (typically holding the melody, unlike almost every other form of rock which has electric guitar holding the melody) -Heavily distorted, warped, and swirling guitar -Deep, crooning [male] vocal style (best represented by Peter Murphy, Ian Curtis, or Andrew Eldritch) -High, wavering [female] vocal style (best represented by Melora Creager) -Fluid, poetic lyrics, with such subjects as existentialism, love, life, death, and revenge. Other factors which are common, but not definitive of the genre:-Atmospheric keyboard instruments (piano, harpsichord, and pipe-organ are all equally common) -Hollow, processed synthesizers -Full latin choirs -Multi-layered backing vocals -Sweeping violins -Ominous cello/concert-bass Best examples of the genre's sound:"Bela Lugosi's Dead" ~ Bauhaus "Shadowplay" ~ Joy Division "We're So Happy" ~ Danse Society Why aren't Evanescence goth-rock?A better question: how could they be? Evanescence quite simply has no similarities to the genre, save for some similarities of lyrical content. -Goth-rock is really defined by the prominence of it's bass-guitar; Evanescence's bass-guitar almost can't be heard. -Goth-rock has wavering, distorted guitars; Evanescence has loud, grinding, metal-style guitars. -Evanescence has thrashing drums, as opposed to goth-rock's light stacatto drums. -Amy Lee's voice is powerful, strong, and well-rounded, as opposed to goth-rock's leading ladies' wavering, high-pitched whispers. |
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:43 pm
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:09 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:02 pm
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:28 pm
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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:17 am
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GilAskan And for some more information... Bands Commonly Called Goth-rock, but are not Goth-rock (examples): Evanescence Marilyn Manson koRn Tool Slipknot My Chemical Romance Aiden Rammstein A Perfect Circle AFI Black Sabbath Cradle of Filth Nightwish Nine Inch Nails
most of the bands are metal, and hardcore
ecxept
My chemical romance, and AFi witch are thought to be
screamo/post-punk/emo
Rammstien and Nine Inch Nails
define them selves as industrial-metal
but korn and slipkont? metal all the way
same with Evanescence. they are black metal i think or just some gothic posers, but i don't know
Cradel of filth is black metal/post gothic
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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:08 pm
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sataujin-ken GilAskan And for some more information... Bands Commonly Called Goth-rock, but are not Goth-rock (examples): Evanescence (Symphonic Metal)Marilyn Manson (Alternative Metal)koRn (Nu-Metal)Tool (Experimental Hard-rock)Slipknot (Nu-metal)My Chemical Romance (Pop-Rock)Aiden (Pop-rock)Rammstein (Heavy Metal)A Perfect Circle (Shoegaze/Experimental)AFI (Pop-rock)Black Sabbath (Metal)Cradle of Filth (Symphonic Black Metal)Nightwish (Symphonic Metal)Nine Inch Nails (Industrial)most of the bands are metal, and hardcore ecxept My chemical romance, and AFi witch are thought to be screamo/post-punk/emo Rammstien and Nine Inch Nails define them selves as industrial-metal but korn and slipkont? metal all the way same with Evanescence. they are black metal i think or just some gothic posers, but i don't know Cradel of filth is black metal/post gothic or somthing like that
That should clear things up. |
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:08 pm
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GilAskan sataujin-ken GilAskan And for some more information... Bands Commonly Called Goth-rock, but are not Goth-rock (examples): Evanescence (Symphonic Metal)Marilyn Manson (Alternative Metal)koRn (Nu-Metal)Tool (Experimental Hard-rock)Slipknot (Nu-metal)My Chemical Romance (Pop-Rock)Aiden (Pop-rock)Rammstein (Heavy Metal)A Perfect Circle (Shoegaze/Experimental)AFI (Pop-rock)Black Sabbath (Metal)Cradle of Filth (Symphonic Black Metal)Nightwish (Symphonic Metal)Nine Inch Nails (Industrial)most of the bands are metal, and hardcore ecxept My chemical romance, and AFi witch are thought to be screamo/post-punk/emo Rammstien and Nine Inch Nails define them selves as industrial-metal but korn and slipkont? metal all the way same with Evanescence. they are black metal i think or just some gothic posers, but i don't know Cradel of filth is black metal/post gothic or somthing like that That should clear things up.
I always thought Marylin manson was Shock rock.
And, AFI/Aiden are emo, I think.
But, I suppose it doesn't matter, as long as it's good, I don't care what it is. |
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:46 pm
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:56 pm
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IY_and_MCR [Rosetta Stoned] I always thought Marylin manson was Shock rock.
And, AFI/Aiden are emo, I think.
But, I suppose it doesn't matter, as long as it's good, I don't care what it is. Emo would be more like Rites of Spring and Sunny Day Real Estate. (Correct me if I'm mistaken) Manson is is a shock rocker, but I don't think that's an accual musical genra, but more of an umbrella term for rock musicains who do types of shocking things. (Once more, if I'm wrong tell me)
Yeh, I thought so with the second one, but I wasn't sure and I wouldn't really call Manson anything "metal" neutral
Well, they're generally refered to as emo, even though emo used to be something quite different.
So, I really don't know what they are.XD |
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:32 pm
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IY_and_MCR [Rosetta Stoned] I always thought Marylin manson was Shock rock.
And, AFI/Aiden are emo, I think.
But, I suppose it doesn't matter, as long as it's good, I don't care what it is. Emo would be more like Rites of Spring and Sunny Day Real Estate. (Correct me if I'm mistaken) Manson is is a shock rocker, but I don't think that's an accual musical genra, but more of an umbrella term for rock musicains who do types of shocking things. (Once more, if I'm wrong tell me)
Correct, on both accounts.
-What pop culture now refers to as "emo" is actually powerpop (Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance, Panic at the Disco) or pop-rock (AFI, Green Day). The real emo (emotive hardcore genre) has all but dissolved.
-[As you said] Shock rock isn't a genre but a general grouping of any artist which uses shocking lyrics or aesthetics. Manson's music falls under metal because of the guitar style used, as well as the general instrumental arrangements. |
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:40 am
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:43 am
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GilAskan IY_and_MCR [Rosetta Stoned] I always thought Marylin manson was Shock rock.
And, AFI/Aiden are emo, I think.
But, I suppose it doesn't matter, as long as it's good, I don't care what it is. Emo would be more like Rites of Spring and Sunny Day Real Estate. (Correct me if I'm mistaken) Manson is is a shock rocker, but I don't think that's an accual musical genra, but more of an umbrella term for rock musicains who do types of shocking things. (Once more, if I'm wrong tell me) Correct, on both accounts. -What pop culture now refers to as "emo" is actually powerpop (Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance, Panic at the Disco) or pop-rock (AFI, Green Day). The real emo (emotive hardcore genre) has all but dissolved. -[As you said] Shock rock isn't a genre but a general grouping of any artist which uses shocking lyrics or aesthetics. Manson's music falls under metal because of the guitar style used, as well as the general instrumental arrangements. |
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