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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:28 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:21 pm
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:19 pm
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:41 pm
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:28 pm
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lepetitchou StateAlchemist Natsu I think it would have been better if they had stuck to the timeline the Gene Roddenberry created, rather than what they did with Enterprise, or went into an alien time line like the Vulcans or even the Klingons. Aw, I thought it was a good idea to go backwards. I mean by Voyager everything was so far of nobody knew what the hell was going on. De-teching was a smart move but they messed up a little with all the drama stuff. I mean Trek has always been dramatic but at times Enterprise was kinda soap opera-ish. I dont' know about an alien timeline thing. The de-teching make their world more easily understandable but alienfying would probably leave us humans in the dark. Except for those few Klingon Academy graduates out there. whee
I think that what lepetitchou is saying is that Enterprise didn't adhear to the original G.R. Star Trek timeline...
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:41 pm
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MagnusHansen lepetitchou StateAlchemist Natsu I think it would have been better if they had stuck to the timeline the Gene Roddenberry created, rather than what they did with Enterprise, or went into an alien time line like the Vulcans or even the Klingons. Aw, I thought it was a good idea to go backwards. I mean by Voyager everything was so far of nobody knew what the hell was going on. De-teching was a smart move but they messed up a little with all the drama stuff. I mean Trek has always been dramatic but at times Enterprise was kinda soap opera-ish. I dont' know about an alien timeline thing. The de-teching make their world more easily understandable but alienfying would probably leave us humans in the dark. Except for those few Klingon Academy graduates out there. whee I think that what lepetitchou is saying is that Enterprise didn't adhear to the original G.R. Star Trek timeline...
Though really, the end of DS9 really did have alot more Federation technology than Voyager did, just cuz Voyager's been out of contact so long.
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:39 pm
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:47 pm
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MagnusHansen lepetitchou StateAlchemist Natsu I think it would have been better if they had stuck to the timeline the Gene Roddenberry created, rather than what they did with Enterprise, or went into an alien time line like the Vulcans or even the Klingons.Aw, I thought it was a good idea to go backwards. I mean by Voyager everything was so far of nobody knew what the hell was going on. De-teching was a smart move but they messed up a little with all the drama stuff. I mean Trek has always been dramatic but at times Enterprise was kinda soap opera-ish. I dont' know about an alien timeline thing. The de-teching make their world more easily understandable but alienfying would probably leave us humans in the dark. Except for those few Klingon Academy graduates out there. whee
I think that what lepetitchou is saying is that Enterprise didn't adhere to the original G.R. Star Trek timeline...
The thing that guaranteed Enterprise would crash and burn was the complete disregard of the continuity.
The service industry-and broadcast programs are in the service industry- operates under the 80/20 rule.
80% of your business is done by 20% of your customers. They are what is known as your "regulars." Without them, you are out of a job.
So, all Trek shows nowadays begin with a fanbase of Trekkies.
The smart thing to do is to make sure the new show doesn't go out of its way to anger the existing fanbase. If they anger the fanbase, they'll avoid the show. Then all you have is film in a can, and no market for it.
======= Many of us agree-and all of us so far agree- that it made sense to take a step back and go into the past. The technology that solves problems in 20 seconds or less was making it hard to fill an hour. Further, filling in gaps in the chronology can be interesting.
Problem was, Rick Berman said he didn't think it was important to mind the continuity. That was a BAD sign.
That meant that things a lot of fans cared about would be completely disregarded. That meant they didn't care they were angering fans.
A different issue was the costumes and props. I think we can all agree, to a point, that it makes sense to "look the other way" about those looking better in the new series than they did in the original series which supposedly happens later. These are cosmetic and don't affect the story, mostly. We also had Andorians with moving antennae, while the original series had Andorians with stationary antennae. We chose to overlook the improvements in special effects. Those don't affect the story.
What DOES affect the story, however, can anger fans. For example, the first Constitution-class ship (like the TOS Enterprise) that was retrofitted with phasers was the USS Hood. Before that, the Constitution class had lasers, and other classes did not have phasers. However, in "Enterprise", we see ships a century before the Hood was equipped, getting phasers.
If they wanted to engage the fans, they would have sat with a chart of the chronology, and said "how did we get from HERE to THERE?" and make some stories-or plot elements in larger stories- reflect the plan to fill in the blanks. As someone said once, Earth went from a late technological arrival to the home of the UFP in a few hundred years, and now Earth descendants run most of the show in Starfleet, and seem to have most of the colonies across Federation space. Why don't we get to see how they became so important, so fast?
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