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 Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:39 am
Post your predictions here for changes to the banlist. Please give reasons why you think these chanegs will be made too.
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:16 am
Ou's Predictions:
Forbidden:
Mind Control - it was really good for synchro decks, and since Xyz are easier than synchros, it just makes it even more powerful.
Black Luster Solider - Envoy of the Beginning - Just too powerful, should never of came back in the first place
Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier - Alot of players have difficulty dealing with this monster. Chances are, if you don't have an out soon or immeadiately, your gonna lose the duel. it will just keep bouncing your monster(s) for direct attacks. Very deadly to decks that don't run backrow.
Wind-Up Hunter - Only card in the Wind-Up loop worth hitting that's in the OCG. let them spam wind-up carriers, they ain't gonna loop your hand without hunter.
Future Fusion - Sets up plays for the decks that use it. and in two turns you get a powerful fusion monster.
Monster Reborn - Kill it with Fire
Sangan - OCG getting Tourguide this october, gotta ban it now or face the consequences
Limited:
Inzektor Dragonfly - I personally believe limiting this card would balance the deck signifigantly
Rekindling or Molten Transmission Field - These cards are the driving force behind the deck. it would make more sense to limit the Transmission field, or even ban it, as it is a foolish burial for essential 5 lavals, even thouh it says 2. rekindling could probally be limited or semi-limited
Sinister Serpent - All it does is net you a tiny bit of card advantage and makes seldomly seen cards more playable. it can go to one but no more.
Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon - Kills Chaos Dragons and Gustaph Max plays in Hieratics. gotta be limited
Semi-Limited:
Blackwing - Kalut the Moonshadow - Annoying, but not broken
Mystical Space Tphoon - Three is too many imo. not worth mentioning though really.
Rescue Rabbit - It's gonna end up here before it ever gets limited.
Gates of the Dark World and/or Grapha, Dragon Lord fo Dark World - Both are pretty nasty. I mean, gets nets so much advantage, while Grapha is a big beater that pops your s**t. Hitting these wont hurt the deck as much as hitting Dragged Down or Dealings either
Unlimited:
Marshmallon - Card's not see playing. Reaper is so much better right now.
Summoner Monk: - Just for more Xyz Spam really. it's not as broken as it used to be.
Primal Seed - No BLS or CEM? no need for this card to be limited.
Magical Stone Excavation - Is this card really that broken that it needs to be at 2?
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:00 pm
I'm thinking that if rescue rabbit is hit on any level, Laggia would remain untouched. Laggia only gets higher accessibility with rabbit.
BLS is something that I could see going back to banned, but if other attributes see more play than LIGHT and DARK, it could stay for a little longer.
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:10 pm
Hmmmm......the OP's list looks okay but i see some flaws.
Brio will not get banned because it is going to be released as a super in the Hidden Arsenal 5 special ed, so banning brio would hurt their sales, so i don't think so.
Sangan will also not be hit because the dreaded tourguide is not in OCG yet.
Kalut won't come back because well, its Blackwings are done with no point in trying to revive them.
Fiendish at 2 is pointless because there is really no point in maxing them out.
but those are just my opinions
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:28 am
Tsukinoki Hmmmm......the OP's list looks okay but i see some flaws. Brio will not get banned because it is going to be released as a super in the Hidden Arsenal 5 special ed, so banning brio would hurt their sales, so i don't think so. Sangan will also not be hit because the dreaded tourguide is not in OCG yet. Kalut won't come back because well, its Blackwings are done with no point in trying to revive them. Fiendish at 2 is pointless because there is really no point in maxing them out. but those are just my opinions i always put brio on my list. Just because i hate it, even though i use it sometimes. If noticed, i said sangan was iffy for the very same reason you stated. kalut can go to two, icarus attack went back to 3 didn't it? the only reason blackwings got hit in the first place was because the OCG was experience a Blackwing Dominant format when they did hit it. as for Fiendish chain, your probally right.
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:08 am
My Hopes: Don't care about much else.
Rescue Cat to 1 - Not many decks will be able to use it. GBs, Sabers (which are dead due to Darksoul ruling)
Bestiari to 2 - I like my gladiators.
HS - Banned
Trunade - 1
MST - 2
JD - 2
BLS - Banned
Rabbit - 1
Zenmaighty - 1
Goyo - 1
Kalut - 2
Gale - 2
Cold Wave - 1
Oppression - 1
Book - 2
Avarice - 2
Kristya - 1
Hyperion - 2
Gachi Gachi - 1
Malicious - 3
Warning - 1
I think this would make for a competitive and interesting format. Since Tengu and TGU are TCG, neither will probably get hit.
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:19 am
The 10th Doctor-Mayuri My Hopes: Don't care about much else. Rescue Cat to 1 - Not many decks will be able to use it. GBs, Sabers (which are dead due to Darksoul ruling) Bestiari to 2 - I like my gladiators. HS - Banned Trunade - 1 MST - 2 JD - 2 BLS - Banned Rabbit - 1 Zenmaighty - 1 Goyo - 1 Kalut - 2 Gale - 2 Cold Wave - 1 Oppression - 1 Book - 2 Avarice - 2 Kristya - 1 Hyperion - 2 Gachi Gachi - 1 Malicious - 3 Warning - 1 I think this would make for a competitive and interesting format. Since Tengu and TGU are TCG, neither will probably get hit. some things wrong with your list. Cat at 1 means instant hyunlei or main phase 2 gyzarus, which means instant 2-3 card advantage cold wave was banned because it set up plays in decks that could easily go plus using just monster effects, such as glad beasts, and sabers. Malicious wont go to 3 until it becomes slow. but since it can be dumped into the grave easily, it's not slow at all. (tengu will go to 2 when the OCG gets it, because it's like malicious, too good at 3, but useless when limited) avarice is at one for a reason. to slow down decks that fill the grave fast. Gale is at one because it's too good. people ran it solely for the effect, not just blackwing players. Trunade has less counters than heavy storm, making it more broken than heavy storm. otk decks love it much more than heavy. goyo has too much attack for an easy to summon monster and an amazing effect. it was banned because people would steal monsters to Xyz with. Oppression was banned because it was being used the wrong way. people would special summon like crazy, then activate oppression to keep the opponant from special summoning anything that could kill they're big monsters in battle. Bestiari is at one to prevent excessive gyzarus spam. it's fine where it is.
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:33 pm
Banned
Brionic, Dragon of the Ice Barrier - Not because of the board wipe, but the combo that happened with Leviar and doing Trishula 5x in one turn. (See Eurasian tournament info for this.)
Dandylion - It's effect always triggers. Makes sac or synch fodder. So I see this as a possibility for banning.
Mind Control. - Obvious reasons here. Take a face down card. Possibly get/use the effect. Profit use for fusion/ synchro/ xyz. So over all unhealthy in this format.
Sangan - Reason, it is search able. The main fiend tour guide uses. It's a problem again. Just like it was all those formats ago.
Limited
Wind-Up Hunter - Indeed the loop is a problem. The ban list is to prevent this from happening.
Daigusto Emeral - Not because it is a Pot of Avarice. Well that too, but because of the trishula loop. (See Eurasian tournament info)
Leviair, the Sea Dragon - Trishula loop. Nuff said.
Maxx "c" - Draw card or prevent synchro/ exceed/ special summon. Hey yeah it's a problem.
Semi-limited
Dark Armed Dragon - Reason being for this. We have Veiler, and chain and many other things that negate him. There is also enough graveyard hate to get rid of him.
Lavalval Chain. - Again he isn't broken, just annoying. I don't see him getting limited or banned.
Unlimited
Magical cylinder - The card isn't seeing much play. With the massive amount of back row hate, there isn't a need to play it. It would take up a good slot.
Things I don't see getting hit
Black luster solider - Envoy of the Beginning - IT isn't broken, it's a game finisher. Vieler, chain all of that stops it. Priority should be leaving soon, so it won't be as good.
Rabbit - Not Broken and the laggia deck takes skill to use and it failed at two ycs.
- Tour guide -....Pulling the rug is my Friend, so is vieler. It's annoying, but like Pot of avarice. It won't get hit because it's a chase rare and something will replace it.
That's really it folks
Possibilities for limited or semi-limited
Wind-up Zenmaines. - This card isn't hard to play around, but it can stall. Making the game slower while utilizing destruction effects is annoying.
Goodnight all. Let's see what happens
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:18 am
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:57 pm
Here's what I think.
Wind-Up Rat to limited. It's not the main part of the loop but it plays a major role.
Inzektor Dragonfly to limited or semi-limited. It's much more problematic than Hornet. plus a pop and a summon. No, just no.
Light Pulsar Dragon to limited. Chaos Dragons are one of if not the top deck.
Grapha to Semi-limited. Dark worlds are really good this would slow them down a bit.
This might be just my wishful thinking but now that there are more powerful XYZ and are very easy to get out we might see spore and glow-up bulb to limited.
But in all honesty this won't happen for a few more ban lists.
And I'm going to call the Rescue Rabbit will not be hit!
It makes a lot of money or konami and there are a lot of decks that can use it they have yet to come out for the TCG.
So I think it'll stay at 3. But if it does get hit it'll be semi-limited at most.
.:Edit:.
Other cards I think could get band.
Monster Reborn. With call at three they could have been prepairing use for a reborn ban.
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:09 am
Personally imo, heres what I think should be hit and what shouldnt be hit.
Banned:
I dont see any potential cards to get banned so I would probably just leave this blank.
Dont ban:
Future Fusion: Simply put, theres other formats this can prove very useful towards (hence E-heros) and others just abuse it for only Dragons. I say keep it around for a while longer till something majorly big comes around (like say a new card), then ban it.
Limited:
Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon.
This is the power card that should be hit without warning simply because once you get a number of dragons in your grave, it pretty much seals the game as soon as it hits the field. Not only that, but it makes it more of a challenge to get Gustoff max out on the field considering theres not too many level 10 monsters with easy summoning requirements.
Rescue Rabbit:
This is self explainitory and doesnt need any extra thought into it simply because once one of these bunnies enters and leaves the field, it will just total your field.
Evolsaur Laggia:
I can bet everyone who looks(or played against) a rabbit match-up will most likely agree that getting two or three of this card on your opponents side of the field can be frustrating seeing you have tried to pull something unique only to get silenced by this card.
Inzektor Dragonfly:
I agree with Wind-up pickpockets statement on this one. Getting one means disaster, getting two means trouble, and getting three just spells game over to you. Especially since people make quick xyz's with this card alone.
This is all I can think of at the moment, but they are just some simple things to consider.
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:39 pm
Banned
Inzector Dragonfly
Future Fusion
Leviar
Mind Control
Pot of Avarice
Restricted
Laggia
Torrential Tribute
Inzector lady bug
Miracle Fusion
Wind-up Zenmaines
Wind-up Rabbit
Semi-Limited
Mystical Space Typhoon
Effect Vieler
Red-eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
Lyla, Light Sworn Sorceress
Inzectors Hornet
Lonefire Blossom
Unlimited
Mashmellon
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:46 am
Really I see nothing that should be banned, most of you, i believe are just a little butt hurt. Inzektors. yes are annoying but when you know how they play easy to face. Same goes for rabbit and Dragon.
To TwinHeart's Idea on Pot of Avarice : That would make slow deck stand no chance in a duel. And Yes some decks abuse it , but keep in mind those are decks that run 20 or more monsters.
Veiler isn't a threat with the fact D-fissure and Macro are mained now more then ever.
You can bait out laggia's effect very easily.
Wind-Up Zenmaines. Ever hear of Chimeratech ? I have time to time done this to my opponent because he ss'd Zemmaines and had no back row foolishly
Mind Control. Seriously ? That card seems to be in some love hate relationship with Duelists. you'll be mad when you opponent has something that can negate you attacks ( I.e Utopia ) and you can't get rid of it. but you'll be happy when you draw this card , or mad when used against you
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:47 pm
OC ReMix Really I see nothing that should be banned, most of you, i believe are just a little butt hurt. Inzektors. yes are annoying but when you know how they play easy to face. Same goes for rabbit and Dragon. To TwinHeart's Idea on Pot of Avarice : That would make slow deck stand no chance in a duel. And Yes some decks abuse it , but keep in mind those are decks that run 20 or more monsters. Veiler isn't a threat with the fact D-fissure and Macro are mained now more then ever. You can bait out laggia's effect very easily. Wind-Up Zenmaines. Ever hear of Chimeratech ? I have time to time done this to my opponent because he ss'd Zemmaines and had no back row foolishly Mind Control. Seriously ? That card seems to be in some love hate relationship with Duelists. you'll be mad when you opponent has something that can negate you attacks ( I.e Utopia ) and you can't get rid of it. but you'll be happy when you draw this card , or mad when used against you I'm going off of Japanese Regionals and worlds. Zenmaines, that was just personal flavor. Also, not many decks are running chimeratech. Inzectors are topping in japan, they're going to get hit. Mind control, it takes control of a monster. Nuff said. Effect vieler, is needed, as a three of in most decks. There's also a ton of monster negation. Which has a cost, aside from discarding said card. Vieler needs to go down, it wouldn't be the first time a card like that would get hit. /rant
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:41 am
TwinHeart OC ReMix Really I see nothing that should be banned, most of you, i believe are just a little butt hurt. Inzektors. yes are annoying but when you know how they play easy to face. Same goes for rabbit and Dragon. To TwinHeart's Idea on Pot of Avarice : That would make slow deck stand no chance in a duel. And Yes some decks abuse it , but keep in mind those are decks that run 20 or more monsters. Veiler isn't a threat with the fact D-fissure and Macro are mained now more then ever. You can bait out laggia's effect very easily. Wind-Up Zenmaines. Ever hear of Chimeratech ? I have time to time done this to my opponent because he ss'd Zemmaines and had no back row foolishly Mind Control. Seriously ? That card seems to be in some love hate relationship with Duelists. you'll be mad when you opponent has something that can negate you attacks ( I.e Utopia ) and you can't get rid of it. but you'll be happy when you draw this card , or mad when used against you I'm going off of Japanese Regionals and worlds. Zenmaines, that was just personal flavor. Also, not many decks are running chimeratech. Inzectors are topping in japan, they're going to get hit. Mind control, it takes control of a monster. Nuff said. Effect vieler, is needed, as a three of in most decks. There's also a ton of monster negation. Which has a cost, aside from discarding said card. Vieler needs to go down, it wouldn't be the first time a card like that would get hit. /rant But the OCG and TCG have totally different metas right now.
You can't really predict TCG bans on OCG bans.
On the topic of veiler, it can not get hit.
Veiler is needed because it levels out the playing field.
Even being at 2 it would allow more explosive decks like Dino Rabbit and WInd-Ups to take over.
Unless Konami bans all of the good effect monsters then veiler won't be hit.
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