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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:08 pm
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Gather round, childrens -- it's story time. (If you don't feel like reading, just skip down to the paragraph that starts with "But".)
I was at the bookstore earlier, because the local library stinks and I can read a book there for free.
While I was there, there was a girl, also in the same section, looking at books, occassionally picking up one and flipping through the pages for a little while, then putting it back on the shelf. She picked up one of Ravenwolf's "To [Action] A [Adjective] [Noun]" books and I said, "Can I make a suggestion? Don't read that book."
"Why?"
Sorta kicked into the "it makes good material for starting a bonfire, but other than that..." shpeel, and she said she already owned "Teen Witch" and it both didn't make a whole lot of sense to her and she didn't really get much from the book.
So, I made some suggestions on some other books and authors and we got to talking, she asked me a couple of questions about me, like how long I've been reading these books, if I was in a group, what basic terms mean (like "coven" and "what's the difference between a Wiccan and a Witch") and so on and so forth.
She was sort of amazed, she'd never really met anyone who "was into this stuff and knows what they're talking about" and asked me if she could have my number, so she could call me and ask me questions about this stuff because she really wants to learn more before she does anything. It turns out, she already has my house number, because she's friends with my little brother.
Annnywhooooooo...
Towards the end of the conversation, she asked me if I could, more or less, teach her. "Well, I could point you in a couple of different directions, but I dunno how good of a teacher I'd be."
But I've been thinking. How good of a teacher/mentor would I be? At least having someone around who was a bit more experienced when I was new to all of this, I think, would've helped a smig.
If you were to, less or more, teach someone about Neo-Paganism, what would you do? What things do you think are more important to emphasize to someone whose new, but wanting to learn?
Also, how many "To [Verb] A [Adjective] [Noun]" books does Silver need to write? x__x;;
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:33 pm
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:54 pm
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TeaDidikai I am all for the free exchange of ideas. Big fan of it. But to be someone's teacher? It's like being someone's parent. There is a lot of thought and serious consideration that goes into making an informed decision. And not everyone is meant to take on that role. Does that mean we cannot guide, support, aid, nurture and enlighten? Heavens no. What would you guide/support/nurture/enlighten them with/to?
I think of teaching in a more... casual? (is that the right word?)... way. Maybe, non-traditional. That you learn from everything and everyone, and sift through it yourself. I think that's more towards learning in general, than learning fact.
Maybe I just plan used the wrong word. xp TeaDidikai As to what makes a good teacher? Well, grounding and research for a start. Why not learn what it takes to be a teacher? I mean, instruction is great- but why do we assume that just because we know something we would be the best choice to explain it? I definately think I'm not the best, at either explaining or knowing something (see, All Of My Posts).
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:10 pm
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:15 am
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:22 pm
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:41 pm
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:04 pm
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:08 pm
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 3:09 pm
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:38 pm
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missmagpie How does your prospective student know that you're going to teach her a tradition that is actually what she wants to learn? Most likely she'd follow blindly whatever you tell her, and that can be pretty damn dangerous. Ya know magpie, I am so glad I introduced you to the whole gaia thing. Which reminds me, I really must start on that "Discerning pagans of Gaia" commendation banner whatsit.
Back to the topic at hand.
I've had two students. One was a spectacular failure (he hated discipline, didn't want to learn the basics and was very disrespectful, he ended up a convenient lokite) and one was a spectacular success (you've met her magpie at the last moot, and bluey you know who I'm talking about). Based on my experiences, I'd never do it again willingly (admittedly, I'm the humble servant of my God and Goddess so if they order it, I will do it grudgingly) because it's too tiring, demanding and a bloody pain in the hole.
There's more to whether or not you can teach, or know enough, or are smart and wise enough. You can't teach someone unless you have a good rapport with them. Do you feel a connection with this person. Do you know them? Are you sure you know what to and what not to teach them?
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:41 am
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:08 am
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reagun ban missmagpie How does your prospective student know that you're going to teach her a tradition that is actually what she wants to learn? Most likely she'd follow blindly whatever you tell her, and that can be pretty damn dangerous. Ya know magpie, I am so glad I introduced you to the whole gaia thing. Which reminds me, I really must start on that "Discerning pagans of Gaia" commendation banner whatsit.
*blushes*
reagun ban Back to the topic at hand. I've had two students. One was a spectacular failure (he hated discipline, didn't want to learn the basics and was very disrespectful, he ended up a convenient lokite) and one was a spectacular success (you've met her magpie at the last moot, and bluey you know who I'm talking about). Based on my experiences, I'd never do it again willingly (admittedly, I'm the humble servant of my God and Goddess so if they order it, I will do it grudgingly) because it's too tiring, demanding and a bloody pain in the hole. There's more to whether or not you can teach, or know enough, or are smart and wise enough. You can't teach someone unless you have a good rapport with them. Do you feel a connection with this person. Do you know them? Are you sure you know what to and what not to teach them? I'm not quite sure which one at the last moot was your student... I'm pretty sure it was the girl outside smoking with you after the moot (not great with names here), in which case yes i'd consider her a success. Any student who seems that independent from the teacher (in a good way) is a good thing. Unless I'm totally wrong here and not observant at all xd Quite possible considering the state I'm currently in and was in at the last moot.
Anyway, yeah i'd agree with you that to teach you also need a good connection with the student. It's a pain in the a** teaching students you hate. The one I got with the bogey technique was a real b***h - so glad I don't teach her anymore. Also, if you're teaching someone a spiritual path it's almost like inviting them into your circle/coven/mind/whathaveyou. There's a lot of trust involved there that can go awry, especially if the student ends up not being truly serious about it.
(And excuse my bad attempt at quoting if it doesn't work sweatdrop ) Edit: Wooo! It worked! xd
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:46 am
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:24 am
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reagun ban missmagpie I'm not quite sure which one at the last moot was your student... I'm pretty sure it was the girl outside smoking with you after the moot (not great with names here), in which case yes i'd consider her a success. Any student who seems that independent from the teacher (in a good way) is a good thing. Unless I'm totally wrong here and not observant at all xd Quite possible considering the state I'm currently in and was in at the last moot. No, I don't think she came out with me for a smoke. She was the one with red hair and the glasses. The one who commented on the Fennian cycle being less magical than the ulster cycle and drew the comparison between when they were written down first.
Ah. I think I know the girl you mean. She's definately got a good head on her shoulders. Can't remember her name for the life of me, but then again I'm not that observant. And when everyone throws their name at you at once it can be hard to remember. Or maybe that's just me... Erm. Back to some semblance of the topic (or maybe I'm just flogging a dead horse) Teaching can be a load of fun with the right student. If you've got someone quick and intelligent they can be loads of fun to teach. And I find you can learn a lot from teaching too. Just the act of vocalising it to a student can get your thoughts in order and help you understand things better. A good pupil can be a challenge for both the student and teacher, and both can benefit from it. So there's a good side to teaching too. Especially the reward of seeing someone really happy with what they're learning.
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