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 Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 12:03 am
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What is this?! Apparently such sexist "laws" exist within Wicca, similar to the sexist commandments given in the bible. I will provide a link, and then quote a bit of it: Wiccan Laws
Wiccan Laws Several of the provisions in these laws seem rather disagreeable to many Wiccans of today. For example, its sexist language ("as a man loveth a woman by mastering her"), and cursing people and condemning them to an eternity in the Christian hell ("And if any break these Laws, even under torture, THE CURSE OF THE GODDESS SHALL BE UPON THEM, so they may never be reborn on earth and may remain where they belong, in the hell of the Christians.") Another controversial law which irked Valiente was that: "And the greatest virtue of a High Priestess be that she recognize that youth is necessary to the representative of the Goddess. So will she gracefully retire in favor of a younger woman, should the coven so decide in council." Noticeably the Laws have several anachronisms and refer to the threat of being burnt for witchcraft even though this did not happen in England or Wales, where witches were hanged during the witch hunts.
Can someone explain this? I think I might be missing something here....
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:13 am
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Violet Song jat Shariff Crew
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:28 am
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:30 am
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:36 am
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:37 am
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ShadowCatSoul I thought Wiccans didn't believe in the Christian hell...?
http://wicca.timerift.net/laws/161.shtml 35. And if any break these Laws, even under torture, THE CURSE OF THE GODDESS SHALL BE UPON THEM, so they may never be reborn on earth and may remain where they belong, in the hell of the Christians.
http://wicca.timerift.net/laws/old_laws.shtml So it be Ardane that no one may tell any not of the Craft who be of the Wica. nor give any names, or where they Byde, or in any way tell anything which can betray any to our foes. Nor may they tell where the Covenstead be. or where is the Covendom. or where be the meetings. or that there have been meetings. And if any break these laws, even under torture, The Curse of the Goddess shall be upon them, so they never be reborn on earth, And may the remain where they belong, in the Hell of the Christians. |
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 11:00 am
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:17 pm
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TeaDidikai Namikikyo They do, in a sense. If you break your oaths to Wicca then you are forced into the Christian Hell. Please, Correct me if I am wrong. Spot on. Keep in mind that the Wica believe in Reincarnation, and that being part of the cult ensures you will be reunited with your Loved Ones in the cult in your next incarnation after you rest.
I've heard of the term Summerlands before. Is that a fluff term or is it that rest place you mentioned here? |
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:01 pm
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:27 pm
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:38 pm
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:47 pm
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:53 pm
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:05 pm
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:26 am
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Synnthetika I've heard of the term Summerlands before. Is that a fluff term or is it that rest place you mentioned here?
When you read the Decent of the Goddess, The Lord does mention that things rest in his realm before they return. It's a valid concept, even if the term might not stem from Wica. I don't have a good source to justify saying it is or isn't.
Gho the Girl Why are Wican deities punishing followers by sending them to my god's hell?
Gardner was influenced by the era he lived in. Kicking someone out of the cult and back into popular culture seemed like a good punishment I'm sure.
Illiezeulette I would dare say that every Gard I know is a feminist and would take issue with "man loveth a woman by mastering her."
Quote: My HP is not heterosexual, and I'm pretty sure G-Squared would have had a problem with that.
too2sweet My understanding of it is that since many of the people who come to Wicca are former Christians, then being cursed to Hell will have some sort of meaning to them. Not only that, but if one loves the Goddess and is being threatened with being banished from her presence then that would be something that would give one considerable pause, if one was thinking of breaking one's oaths.
This might have something to do with the different roles of the Lord and Lady, and how they fill these roles in Life and Death. |
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