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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:53 pm
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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:54 pm
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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:58 pm
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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:59 pm
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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:32 pm
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Ishtar Shakti I am a practitioner. I practice that which everyone can practice... What I practice, due to lack of better phraseology, is energy work. Have you thought about coming up with a new name? If only because energy work, since energy is the ability to do work, is a bit repetitive?
Also, there are others who are unable to manipulate energy. They exist in a completely reactive state. There are also those who have been husked, sealed or broken.
Quote: The physical world as we see it is a large construct of possibilities woven together to a point that there are very limited ways in which you can alter it. The major point of my practice is to know the paths in which I can interact with the world. I then use those paths to alter the world around me. This is the expression of my will, the bending of possibilities. This doesn't really make sense from a relativist perspective, since it argues for an absolute nature which can be manipulated.
Quote: The path which is probably closest to mine would be Thelema. From a scholarly perspective, I must disagree. Thelema is far more complex that the redux of the Book of the Law into a mismatched tag line.
Quote: Most of my study is trying to understand the paths and patterns that exist and how to push them in small ways to create desired results. What responsibility do you hold to others? To the local geomancy?
Quote: Ethics in my practice is a matter of respect when it comes to other focal points. You do not subsume another focal point. But you claimed to do that in the guild?
Quote: In a practical manner I tend to extend the same respect to them as they extend to my person. If they try to influence my form this means I am then given permission to influence their form. But your act is a deliberate one. If someone cannot control how you sense their energy, you are violating them not for attacking you, but for stepping on your toes.
Quote: Places that are free for me to work with are things which the person is not actively working with. Remnants of energy which the person has stopped focusing on are free for me to work with. Is that not stealing? It reads as though if you find money is someone's purse, the fact they do not have it in their hand means it is yours for the taking?
Quote: Due to pattern recognition I can read and understand individuals emotions and will and recognize what they are trying to accomplish and through this I can facilitate others wills fairly easily. With all due respect, your interactions in the guild suggest you are not skilled at this- since you have directly contradicted others by attempting to provide motivation for them that is contrary to what they have stated is their motivation.
If these errors are an indication, how do you control the harm you would inflict on others?
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:15 pm
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Quote: Have you thought about coming up with a new name? If only because energy work, since energy is the ability to do work, is a bit repetitive? Also, there are others who are unable to manipulate energy. They exist in a completely reactive state. There are also those who have been husked, sealed or broken. Well energy manipulation is the one I usually use. Energy work is just more recognizable. I call it practice or work usually. For the most part I am capable of doing work to fix most of those states. I am capable of breaking seals repairing connections etc. when I am allowed of course. The only beings I have known who absolutely weren't capable of manipulating energy were constructs of energy who lacked a deeper soul or loci. In such case the creater of the construct or servitor or whatnot (names don't matter too much to me) created a way for the construct to live off of ambient energy.
I'm not sure exactly what you are referring to as husked, unless you are talking about a remnant of a being, much like a memory imprint?
Quote: This doesn't really make sense from a relativist perspective, since it argues for an absolute nature which can be manipulated. I only argue that you can't know the absolute and still interact with it.
Quote: From a scholarly perspective, I must disagree. Thelema is far more complex t hat the redux of the Book of the Law into a mismatched tag line. ? Its the closest path that I have studied that fits with my beliefs.
Quote: What responsibility do you hold to others? To the local geomancy? Thats a complicated question, it depends on where I am. There are different places which have different laws which I tend to follow. Its a matter of respect, mostly working in the planes has very complicated systems of exchange with energy it depends on the culture or people that I am interacting with. I generally give warnings and ask for permission before I do work and try to explain the ramifications of my actions. There are certain implied laws depending on where I am, I also have a system of pacts that my soul has to adhere to, balances of power etc.
In my own place I don't really have any laws guiding me other then my morals which are fairly strict, I don't like to cause harm thats pretty much the only responsibility I have and I gave that to myself.
Quote: Quote: Ethics in my practice is a matter of respect when it comes to other focal points. You do not subsume another focal point. But you claimed to do that in the guild? A subsuming is different then influencing. Subsuming is Soul Eating and its a terrible practice. You do not merge your soul with another, you do not make there will yours. I have never done this, well this life as far as I am aware.
What I was talking about is more like taking territory. Its different. Souls adopt structure as there own, they adopt Energy. It is more permissible to take away their energy, to cut them off from possibilities. What I was describing is Binding. Also introducing your energy or your will into another persons space is different then subsuming their will. I usually keep my energy very compacted in order not to touch or influence others. When someone invades my territory (tries to manipulate my emotions etc.) I react I get more upset which inevitably has me drawing in more energy which I would have to find a place for in order for it not to lash out at others, I'd have to channel it into a harmless means and get it Out of me.
Depending on what the person is doing or how they are doing it I might smack them with my energy or create a wave of emotions telling them not to touch me. This is of course crude terminology. How I could deal with the situation is complex and varies depending on what the person does how upset it makes me what level of control I can keep on my emotions how much they invaded my territory and my mood before during and after. The wave of emotions is much like yelling at someone. Creating a wall and throwing it at them is much like hitting someone.
None of these practices though are invasive. By invading my territory, forcing their way in they lost my respect so I am free to invade their territory if I wanted. The lack of influencing anothers will is a joint pact, its a social nicety that is preserved so that it doesn't happen to you. Polite people don't do this, and if your going to be impolite I can be impolite as well and I carry a bigger stick so to speak.
What is permissible isn't what I will do. Its just what I can do. I tend to think the people might be ignorant of what to do in polite society so tend to let them off with a warning. Education>Retribution
Quote: But your act is a deliberate one. If someone cannot control how you sense their energy, you are violating them not for attacking you, but for stepping on your toes. Which is why I give most people the benefit of the doubt. They may not know what they are doing. I can usually sense Intent. Most of my shields are geared towards malicious intent. I also can differentiate between what people are trying to do. I'm not inept. If a person is trying to work on me for a weak and not be noticed and manipulate my emotions then my respect for them is lost. Someone running into a shield and being all like wtf is this and poking it and prodding it isn't going to do anything. It really depends on depth and deliberation. People also radiate emotions, I know when people are upset I know intent, some do a very good job at radiating other emotions then what they have. So sometimes delving is necessary, but usually a reading of their ambient energy can tell me everything I could possibly need to know. Most people who aren't that skilled also can't influence me. It usually takes alot.
Quote: Is that not stealing? It reads as though if you find money is someone's purse, the fact they do not have it in their hand means it is yours for the taking? Well then stop using ambient energy lol All energy is energy that someone was using once and let go of. Their will is not touching it. Most people have places in which they store things that they need or want etc. like a purse and generally speaking a purse has traces of the persons energy around it saying hey this is mine.
Not like when a person stops touching it the energy goes away... its more like reusing air. Air is all around you and it has passed through so many lungs. It carries traces of the people its passed through but the traces aren't permanent. If your good enough at reading energy you can track every single person that speck of air has ever travelled through but would you consider that air theirs?
Quote: With all due respect, your interactions in the guild suggest you are not skilled at this- since you have directly contradicted others by attempting to provide motivation for them that is contrary to what they have stated is their motivation. Statements aren't fact. Also there have been some pretty interesting misreads of my texts. There is also a different mindset between doing "work" and living life. Do you think I want to know how you feel 24/7? I ignore most of what I read I try to actively not know unless its relevant. I think that its an invasion of privacy and that people on earth are mostly ignorant of the signals they send out so how is it polite for me to read something they don't even know they are radiating? I mean for the most part I feel like I'm taking advantage of someone elses ignorance. Also its easier when people are ignorant which means that most of what I pick up is from people who plainly lack skill.
Also Emotions aren't the same things as Meaning. Passivity with an underlying resentment or anger will not tell me if something is red or white. Also when I am in an emotional state its harder for me to take in information... kind of like if all the energy is rushing out of you how the hell are you supposed to take any in, or if you start tinging all the energy with one emotion how are you supposed to see the emotions of others. This is true with most people who allow their emotions to hold sway
Quote: If these errors are an indication, how do you control the harm you would inflict on others? First when I am working I don't allow my emotions to have any sway. I have a duel stream way of dealing with things. I partition my emotions to a different place and I allow them to exist but not to affect my actions. This is a meditative state which I adopt so I can see clearly. I tend not to do any sort of work unless I can achieve that state. Secondly since I have different obligations etc. outside of here that I have to follow my soul is on a bit of lock down. I am bound. I mostly only do work to help other people, as per their request. Otherwise I mostly do small things and play with energy mostly in my residence. It gives me something to do when I am bored. I don't really desire much so what really do I have to strive for. What I keep being told is that I am here to relax and that I'm not really supposed to do much work. Its a nice tool to have when I need it or someone is being attacked by spirits etc. For the most part its useless unless your dead. I mostly just sit around and wait till I find a fluffy who opened themselves up to possession or someone whose freaking out because they are being attacked by a spirit, possessed houses etc. You know useful things that its hard to come by people who can effectively deal with them. That seems to be the most harm reducing thing I can do.
I mean people are used and manipulated by spirits all the time but its their choice... I just have to wait till a spirit is stupid enough to violate anothers will. There are of course spirits who already mostly stop that sometimes things slip through the cracks *shrug*
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:28 pm
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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:45 pm
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