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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 2:15 pm
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:37 pm
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:59 pm
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:02 pm
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:47 pm
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 6:09 am
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:08 am
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:04 am
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:25 pm
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Starlock I strongly advise you actually read the book before making judgements. It is not that bad of a book... it is extremely easy to pull quotes out of context and read nasty things into them. Hell, you see it all the time on this website. When I read it, I honestly didn't have any problems with it save a few historical innacuracies. It was well written for its target audience and did what it intended to do. Not being part of its target audience, I found parts of it a bit simplistic and condescending, but that doesn't make it a bad book or the author some terrible demon. whee I've read Teen Witch already. I make the comments I did because I looked around the site a little more and found that many of the things she advocated kinda labeled a person as a "fluffy bunny." I agree she's not really a bad person. Maybe on a little superiority trip, but certainly not bad. I'm reading Denise Zimmerman's "Complete Idiots Guide to Wicca and Witchcraft" now and she was taught by Silver RavenWolf. Still, I think Zimmerman may actually be more accurate (at least, I'm picking more up off of her). Currently, the only problem I've had with the information offered by RavenWolf is that it was way too little. She didn't give a lot of the warnings that Zimmerman did and she didn't cover a whole lot of bases in the whole "if my mommy/daddy don't like it" issue, but that's a whole other question all together and more deserving of a new thread if anything. I get the idea of "if they don't like it, keep it out of their house." My problem is that, if I tell my mom, I will, with 100% certainty, be booted out of my house and disowned. sweatdrop I'll probably have to take that question to myself, though. I don't think any advice is going to really work for that. It's really more of a priority issue.... sad My family vs. my religion. That's a sucky choice.
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:28 pm
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:18 pm
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emmfullness Currently, the only problem I've had with the information offered by RavenWolf is that it was way too little. She didn't give a lot of the warnings that Zimmerman did
That's my roommate's major complaint on this author. Silver tends to set up exercises without considering the ethics of them- like randomly throwing energy around in order to learn out to call it up, without paying any attention whatsoever to what the consequences of randomly throwing energy around might be.^_^' The stuff she covers is simplistic, yes, but she kind of encourages folks to treat it like a toy- and that's a really bad start. And so the roommate is really against newcomers using Silver's books for instruction.^_^
Personally, I bought several of her books when I was a Wiccan, and all bright-shiny-new at it; they'd looked like a good enough set of magical and/or religious instructions just from the pretty covers and spiffy titles. But I didn't get very far into Broomstick before I put them away in disgust, and I haven't really bothered to pull them off the shelf since then except during moves. The information was sloppy, and she seemed to lash out at everyone and everything.^_^' Now I'm no longer Wiccan, so it's likely that I never will- but from what I've heard, I think I made the right choice from what I did read.
I'd recommend instead reading Raven Grimassi's stuff. He's got a couple of good books out on Wiccan theology and Wiccan magic.
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:04 pm
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:16 am
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:40 am
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Starlock I strongly advise you actually read the book before making judgements. It is not that bad of a book... it is extremely easy to pull quotes out of context and read nasty things into them. Hell, you see it all the time on this website. When I read it, I honestly didn't have any problems with it save a few historical innacuracies. It was well written for its target audience and did what it intended to do. Not being part of its target audience, I found parts of it a bit simplistic and condescending, but that doesn't make it a bad book or the author some terrible demon. whee
see, here's the thing (and my weird perception of how the world works may have a lot to do with this.)
ravenwolf, as far as i can tell, does the majority of her work because wicca is trendy now. erego, she's exploiting beliefs that, while not necessarily her own, are certainly purporting to be someone else's, for money. big no-no, in my book.
sketchy history. again: no.
she also has a very angry, "oh noes persecution" 'tude. rolleyes to that.
she is also extremely intolerant whenever she mentions christianity. again. rolleyes.
so those are four big strikes against her in my book, especially the first two. now i believe in supporting people you like/appreciate by buying, or at least appeciating, their work. that's how i think it gains "power," so to speak. conversely , i believe that you SHOULDN'T support or even recommend someone who you believe is doing the WRONG thing. even if you borrow a SRW book from someone else, that's still reading it and that's giving her writing and ideas more power--think of it like a meme.
that is why i heartily recommend against her books. i don't want to contribute anymore to her influence.
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:48 am
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