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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:04 am
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:22 pm
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:47 pm
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:53 pm
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:15 pm
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Ex-Professor Remus Lupin I put this up for the sake of TheSamurai...he's not a part of this guild... sweatdrop It's just interesting.
Yeah, it is interesting. I had never thought of Fawkes that way before. To me he is just the ultimate pet. Somehow magically in touch with Dumbledore's feelings or whatever, and quite intelligent, but still just a pet.
I think it was incredibly careless of Voldemort to use Nagini. Even if she is, as her name suggests, one of the legendary Naga snakes, and possibly immortal. After all, if he was so desperate for a final Horcrux he could have used Frank Bryce's walking cane, or something like that. For all he knows being a Horcrux could kill Nagini, immortal or not, like it killed all the animals he possessed in the forest, and Quirrel.
So even if against all expectations Dumbledore did make a Horcrux, I doubt he'd be stupid enough to use Fawkes. Who could guarantee that he would not lose that part of his soul the very next Burning Day? Much cooler to use something like Gryffindor's sword (although he didn't have it at the time of Grindelwald's defeat) or the Sorting Hat, or - wait for it - the castle of Hogwarts itself.
What do you think Dumbledore would use as his Horcrux? Thoughts anyone?
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:33 pm
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:21 pm
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:37 pm
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Toothsome Conversationalist
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:00 am
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:43 pm
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:30 pm
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:47 pm
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:00 pm
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:18 pm
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Lisette333 My only arguement is there's no way Dumbledore would take a life. There's no way he would rip his soul. As seen above, I agree with that. However, for the sake of argument, and because this is a debate guild and no debates were ever started by everyone agreeing with each other:
How do we know that? Those assumptions are based on what we have seen of this man through Harry's eyes, 60 years after the "defeat" of Grindelwald. There are bound to have been aspects of Dumbledore's character that Harry didn't see, because he practically hero-worshipped him even when he was mad at him, and also because there are all sorts of things you can hide from everyone if you have enough power. Didn't some of the most notorious killers appear to others as pleasant, normal human beings? Wasn't Dumbledore the most powerful wizard in the world? I think it is safe to assume that any transgressions Albus Dumbledore committed in his lifetime would have easily been covered up with his power and connections. Grindelwald's killing may well have been one of those transgressions.
We can't dismiss out of hand the possibility that Dumbledore is capable of murder. We have in fact seen an example of his pleasant demeanor sliding to reveal a definite temper:
Quote: Moody was thrown backwards onto the office floor. Harry, still staring at the place where Moody's face had been, saw Albus Dumbledore, Professor Snape and Professor McGonagall looking back at him out of the Foe-Glass. He looked around, and saw the three of them standing in the doorway, Dumbledore in front, his wand outstretched. At that moment, Harry fully understood for the first time why people said Dumbledore was the only wizard Voldemort had ever feared. The look upon Dumbledore's face as he stared down at the unconscious form of Mad-Eye Moody was more terrible than Harry could ever have imagined. There was no benign smile upon Dumbledore's face, no twinkle in the eyes behind the spectacles. There was cold fury in every line of the ancient face; a sense of power radiated from Dumbledore as though he was giving off burning heat. He stepped into the office, placed a foot underneath Moody's unconscious body and kicked him over onto his back, so that his face was visible. GoF, UK Hardback, pg 589-590. So we see here that he definitely has a temper. It is possible that while he was younger he might have made mistakes because of that temper. Mistakes such as...murder. Grindelwald may have been to him what Voldemort is to Harry. It is possible that in the end, with Grindelwald at his mercy, he succumbed to temptation and exacted revenge. The Chocolate Frog card said that he "defeated" the Dark Wizard Grindelwald in 1945. That is vague enough to encompass prison or execution. But if he was in prison I think that we would have heard about it, somehow, some mention in all the talk about Azkaban. And I doubt the Dementors were guarding the prison back then, so he would have easily gotten out of jail, and it would have been mentioned. "Defeat" easily covers "execution", whether after a trial or not.
(I would like to apologise to the memory of Albus Dumbledore for the views expressed in this post. I have some arguments already lined up to my own outrageous assertions, but I will wait to see if anyone else can come up with a counter first. I will give you a clue to my main argument: Hitler comitted suicide in 1945 wink )
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 12:43 am
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