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AerynV

PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:27 am
how does god feel about this? I have read that we should be ashamed of our nudity and also that we should rejoice in it because god made our bodies beautiful and whatnot. I know it is a sin to view someone in lust, but what if its for art? What if it is done in a very tasteful way. I dunno i just thought of this and would like your inputs. =/

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in art class we are learning about different artists, like micheal angelo and whatnot and he was famous for the painting "Creation of Adam" (two hands almost touching on the ceiling) and the figures are nude. There's also a bunch of other artists that have done simular things and i was wondering how God viewed this. Is it bad to show nudity in art? I know you're not supposed to look at a person in lust, but if the art is tasteful like Micheal Angelo's work then is it ok? And is it different depending on if its a painting or a photo or film? Is it wrong to watch movies where there is some nudity? lol sorry if this is random, but i'd really like to know.


this article/thing explains one view... http://www.boundlessline.org/2009/03/nudity-in-art.html

"When we see someone who is without clothing, we are not to admire their form, but to cover them (Isaiah 58:7, Ezekiel 18:7, Genesis 9:22-27)."  
PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:48 am
I think there is no problem with nude art. Unless a painting or picture is meant to be pornographic and arouse lustful feelings, I don't have a problem with it. The human body is a beautiful form and we should celebrate it. God did a very wonderful job with it afterall.

Some people are going to argue that even if it's done for art, it can still possibly tempt someone to lust. The thing is, people can lust about anything, so I think people also need to be mindful of their own weaknesses and do the best to combat that, rather than place all the blame on other people.
 

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:53 am
Religiously, nudity is perfectly fine.  
PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:24 am
Genesis 20:28
Now Noah, a man of the soil, was the first to plant a vineyard. When he drank some of the wine, he became drunk and lay naked inside his tent. Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father's nakedness, and he told his two brothers outside about it. Shem and Japheth, however, took a robe, and holding it on their backs, they walked backward and covered their father's nakedness; since their faces were turned the other way, they did not see their father's nakedness. When Noah woke up from his drunkenness and learned what his youngest son had done to him, he said: "Cursed be Caanan! The lowest of slaves shall he be to his brothers."He also said: "Blessed be the LORD, the God of Shem! Let Canaan be his slave. May God expand Japheth, so that he dwells among the tents of Shem; and let Canaan be his slave."


^Bad nudity.

There is Saul who along with the Prophets of his day went nude (1 Sam. 19:24)
Isaiah walked around naked for 3 years as a sign to the people (Isa. 20:2,3)
Peter wore only his birthday suit when he was fishing – nudity being the work clothes of choice (John 21:7)
David danced before the Lord wearing nothing but a ‘revealing’ linen ephod (2 Sam. 6:14)
The Apostle Paul and Barnabas get naked as they show their humanness to the townspeople of Lystra when they thought they were the Greek gods Hermes & Zeus (Acts 14:14).

^Good nudity.  

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Priestley

PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:50 pm
What seperates the good nudity and bad nudity in your example, Xandris?

Incidentally, didn't we have a thread a while back on the subject of nudity?
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:43 pm
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I think there is no problem with nude art. Unless a painting or picture is meant to be pornographic and arouse lustful feelings, I don't have a problem with it. The human body is a beautiful form and we should celebrate it. God did a very wonderful job with it afterall.
She beat me to it xd  

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:13 pm
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I think there is no problem with nude art. Unless a painting or picture is meant to be pornographic and arouse lustful feelings, I don't have a problem with it. The human body is a beautiful form and we should celebrate it. God did a very wonderful job with it afterall.
She beat me to it xd


I was watching Family Guy with my boyfriend the other day, and Peter was talking about how beautiful a plastic bag blowing int he wind was. It then cut to God going "Come on! That's just a piece of trash blowing in the wind! Do you have any idea how complicated your circulatory system is?"

It made me laugh, but sometimes I think we under appreciate our bodies.
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:04 pm
unless the art is used in a ustful way then there should be no problem with it.  

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:45 pm
Priestley
What seperates the good nudity and bad nudity in your example, Xandris?


I am not sure what that passage would have to do with "bad nudity." The only thing condemned in it are Ham's actions. Shem and Japeth made a great effort not to see Noah's nudity, but that does not mean the nudity was bad. More sensibly, they were respecting Noah by not viewing him naked when he had not chosen for them to do so.

Priestley
Incidentally, didn't we have a thread a while back on the subject of nudity?


No. There was a thread about "appropriate" clothing that did discuss nudity though.  
PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:10 am
Priestley
What seperates the good nudity and bad nudity in your example, Xandris?

Incidentally, didn't we have a thread a while back on the subject of nudity?


I think we may have, but I think it was before the archiving system.  

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Priestley

PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:18 am
zz1000zz
Priestley
What seperates the good nudity and bad nudity in your example, Xandris?


I am not sure what that passage would have to do with "bad nudity." The only thing condemned in it are Ham's actions. Shem and Japeth made a great effort not to see Noah's nudity, but that does not mean the nudity was bad. More sensibly, they were respecting Noah by not viewing him naked when he had not chosen for them to do so.

So it was more about saving Noah from the embarassment at being so drunk that he got naked?

zz1000zz
Priestley
Incidentally, didn't we have a thread a while back on the subject of nudity?


No. There was a thread about "appropriate" clothing that did discuss nudity though.

That's not the thread to which I was referring. The thread was from way before that, before you joined us.  
PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:57 am
Priestley
What seperates the good nudity and bad nudity in your example, Xandris?

That's what was up for discussion, along with whether or not it was indeed good/bad. But apparently Gaia didn't like that version of my post and just allowed the verses through. >.<  

Xandris


Priestley

PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:09 am
Xandris
Priestley
What seperates the good nudity and bad nudity in your example, Xandris?

That's what was up for discussion, along with whether or not it was indeed good/bad. But apparently Gaia didn't like that version of my post and just allowed the verses through. >.<

It seems a bit heavy handed of Noah to have cursed his sons and the peoples that followed them just because Noah got too drunk to remember his clothes. xd  
PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:50 am
Priestley
Xandris
Priestley
What seperates the good nudity and bad nudity in your example, Xandris?

That's what was up for discussion, along with whether or not it was indeed good/bad. But apparently Gaia didn't like that version of my post and just allowed the verses through. >.<

It seems a bit heavy handed of Noah to have cursed his sons and the peoples that followed them just because Noah got too drunk to remember his clothes. xd


He was in his own tent, in privacy. He happened to be naked. Ham walked into Noah's private section, saw him naked, then went out and gossiped about it.

Noah being naked was never the problem.  

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Priestley

PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:15 pm
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Xandris
Priestley
What seperates the good nudity and bad nudity in your example, Xandris?

That's what was up for discussion, along with whether or not it was indeed good/bad. But apparently Gaia didn't like that version of my post and just allowed the verses through. >.<

It seems a bit heavy handed of Noah to have cursed his sons and the peoples that followed them just because Noah got too drunk to remember his clothes. xd


He was in his own tent, in privacy. He happened to be naked. Ham walked into Noah's private section, saw him naked, then went out and gossiped about it.

Noah being naked was never the problem.

What you have construed is gossip can also be construed as concern. The passage doesn't specify motive. Also, the passage mentions nakedness four times. If, indeed, Ham was cursed for gossipping, it certainly isn't relevant to this thread.

It makes more sense that Shem and Japheth were rewarded for their action towards their drunken father over their younger brother Ham's inaction.
 
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