I'm going back to church tommorow,

[younameme qwerty]

I left the fold 6 years ago cause of all the things I was taught to hate, after learning about the burning times, it shattered my faith, now there's a book going around called Wicca Satan's little white lie, I am wiccan and I love Jesus, this is a very hard path to be on, but Its were I am and i must go forward, I will do my best to be kind and honest about my beliefs, even though they are strictly forbidden, or am i just a hypocrite for wanting to sing and have the company of others? i think the born again church has declared war on us, why am i going back? I know more people leave paganism and become christian, i left the church and became a pagan.. well i think Jesus went with me.....  

[Violet Song jat Shariff]

misssuzy

I am wiccan

I am a bit skeptical and am wondering if you can provide a tradition and lineage to verify that you are indeed Wiccan?  

[CuAnnan]

The 161 Laws of Wicca are incompatible with the tenets of Christianity.
You cannot be both Wiccan and Christian.
Anyone who has ever told you otherwise has either lied to you to get money from you (the authors of most of the books in your "Wiccan" library) or has been lied to and believed the lie.
Wicca is orthopraxic. Meaning that, while what you believe is irrelevant, what you practice is not open to debate. Included in the practices of Wicca are

• Gender polarised sex-rite intitiation
  
• Clergy to two specific Gods, a Lord and a Lady
  
• Mystery
  

This list is by no means conclusive, but you cannot get these things without the first.

You are not, nor have you ever been, a Wiccan.  

[younameme qwerty]

that doesn't make any sense, I am that i am.. i don't have a pedigree or need one to be what I believe I am......I will never not be wiccan, why do I feel like I'm getting beat on for sharing what I'm experiencing....  

[Violet Song jat Shariff]

misssuzy

that doesn't make any sense, I am that i am..

It doesn't make sense I think because you don't know what proper Wicca actually is.
You are what you are indeed, but what you are not, is Wiccan.

Quote:

i don't have a pedigree or need one to be what I believe I am....

True, you don't need a specific bloodline to be Wiccan. However, you do need a lineage. If you do not understand what is meant by lineage in the context of Wicca, you are only furthering to prove that you are NOT Wiccan.

Quote:

I will never not be wiccan, why do I feel like I'm getting beat on for sharing what I'm experiencing....

You never have been Wiccan though neutral
You are being questioned and corrected, not bashed. It would be prudent to learn the difference here very quickly.  

[Edith Puthie]

misssuzy

that doesn't make any sense, I am that i am.. i don't have a pedigree or need one to be what I believe I am......I will never not be wiccan, why do I feel like I'm getting beat on for sharing what I'm experiencing....

Firstly. How can you be both a Wiccan and a Christian? First of all, Jesus says you cannot serve two masters.

Second of all, to be Wiccan you have to believe in the God and Goddess, that is what Wicca is about.
Yet Jesus never mentioned a God and Goddess... So how?

I have more questions, but we will work on a few at a time.  

[Cunning Witch Angus]

Hmm...I have a cure for this:

Don't.

Read.

Siver.

Ravenwolf.

She only makes you fear Christianity because she hates it so much. Her morals and imagery about the Christians are just horrible. The followers of Yeshua's teachings are wonderful people if not a little misinformed on some things(some of them not all of course).

Mr. Schnoebelen is a great author of conspiracies and his book is falsifiable. It says so on the back: "William Schnoebelen thought Wicca was a harmless, nature-worshiping religion."
Well, he is wrong first off. My guess is (I have never read the book but I can infer much from GoogleBooks) that he got into a wrong crowd of people who read a mixture of the Cthulhu mythos and Tvvanism (Neo-pagan witchcraft). Either that or he is blatantly lying.

And the Church has not declared war on the pagan community. They wouldn't have enough supporters.  

[Edith Puthie]

Angus of the Crooked Way

Hmm...I have a cure for this:

Don't.

Read.

Siver.

Ravenwolf.

Enough said.  

[Cunning Witch Angus]

Paranormal Zombiiie

Angus of the Crooked Way

Hmm...I have a cure for this:

Don't.

Read.

Siver.

Ravenwolf.

Enough said.

I really want to make a flash that has a fluffy pulling out a SRW book and then me pulling out Triumph of the Moon making the fluffy die instantly from my knowledge roll of +10 against all SRW books.

Instead of this:
 

[younameme qwerty]

man you guys are like inquisitors, I didn't come her to have my beliefs put through a ringer, I'm beginning to wonder if you're wiccan....you sound like the king James only quacks..  

[Edith Puthie]

Did you assume everyone here is Wiccan? I am not.

I am an ex-christian and an older ex-wiccan. I can tell you for sure that you cannot mix the two.

What I think you are doing is wanting to be able to do what you want, but you are afraid to go to hell so you mix what you want with christianity so you can feel safe.
Sadly to say you cannot stand on the fence, you cannot be Wiccan and Christian.  

[Violet Song jat Shariff]

misssuzy

man you guys are like inquisitors, I didn't come her to have my beliefs put through a ringer,

Do you not think questioning beliefs has any merit?
If your beliefs are inconsistent with objective reality or otherwise faulty, do you not want them corrected and to learn correct information?
Is ignorance accepted in your path?

Quote:

I'm beginning to wonder if you're wiccan....you sound like the king James only quacks..

Oh a cheap shot using Christianity rolleyes . You must be so proud; did you come up with that all by yourself?
For future note, I don't think the Christianity bashing/insults are going to fly here.
And no, I am not Wiccan.
See? We have something in common.  

[CuAnnan]

misssuzy

man you guys are like inquisitors, I didn't come her to have my beliefs put through a ringer, I'm beginning to wonder if you're wiccan....you sound like the king James only quacks..

This is the pagan fluffy rehab guild
You area a pagan fluffy.
Did you think rehab was going to be easy?
Let's face it, though. You don't want to be a respectful, honourable, intellectually honest pagan. You want to be a fluffy bunny out saving the world against evil vampires et al.
Go back to church.
Put down the magic books.
Pick up D&D.
You'll find it a lot more satisfying.  

[younameme qwerty]

I'm not going to waist my time here anymore, you guys are very twisted, you act old and wise but your answers suggest total immaturity and disrespect go burn some white sage and and spend some time on earth...  

[Cunning Witch Angus]

We are all pagans here. This is not a guild for the Wica. I doubt that the Wica would create one for that matter XD

Pagan Fluffy Rehabilitation Center Forum Entrance

Did someone call you a fluffy bunny ever? It either hurt or opened your eyes, didn't it? Maybe even both?

We get it, paganism can be hard. There's so much information out there and you don't know where to start. Or perhaps, you've been pagan for a long time and realize that something just doesn't add up right. Maybe you've established yourself well and have plenty to share with those cursed by the Fluff.

We are here to help in the best way possible.

I myself am here to learn more about paganism so I can help others. Baby steps, my friend, baby steps.

I would start here:

scorplett

WICCA ORIENTED AND BY REAL WICCAN AUTHORS
The Alex Sanders Lectures – Alex Sanders
Witchcraft Today – Gerald Gardner
The Meaning of Witchcraft – Gerald Gardner
A Witches Bible (or ‘What Witches Do and Eight Sabbat’s for Witches) – Stewart Farrar
Wicca- The Old in the New Age – Vivienne Crowley
Charge of the Goddess - Doreen Valiente
Circle of Fire – Sorita D'Este
Lid off the Cauldron – Patricia Crowther
Rebirth of Witchcraft – Doreen Valiente
Dancing with Witches – Lois Bourne
Religion Without Beliefs – Fred Lammond


NEO-PAGANISM AND ECLECTIC WITCHCRAFT
Witchcraft for Tomorrow – Doreen Valiente
Witchcrafting – Phillis Currot
Elements of Ritual – Deborah Lipp
Spiral Dance – Starhawk
Drawing Down the Moon – Margot Adler
Magical Rites from the Crystal Well - Ed Fitch
Coven Craft: Witchcraft for Three or More - Amber K
Ethics and the Craft - John J. Coughlin
The Truth About Witchcraft - Hanz Holzer
The Paganism Reader - Chas Clifton

TRADITIONAL WITCHCRAFT
Mastering Witchcraft – Paul Huson
Conversations with a Witch – Lois Bourne
The Forge of Tubal Cain - Ann Finnin
The Crooked Path Journal (Various Contributors)
Hedge Rider - Eric de Vries
Sorgitzak: Old Forest Craft - Veronica Cummer


ACADEMIC HISTORIES OF WICCA AND WITCHCRAFT
Triumph of The Moon – Ronald Hutton
Wiccan Roots: Gerald Gardner and the Modern Witchcraft Revival (also as: Gerald Gardner and the Cauldron of Inspiration: An Investigation into the Sources of Gardnerian Witchcraft)– Philip Heselton
Her Hidden Children: The Rise of Wicca And Paganism in America - Chas S. Clifton
The Pickengill Papers-The Origin of the Gardnerian Craft - W.E. Liddell
WITCHCRAFT AND MAGIC IN EUROPE: (a 6 Volume series), edited by Bengt Ankarloo and Stuart Clark
Vol 1 Biblical and Pagan Societies
Vol 2 Ancient Greece and Rome
Vol 3 The Middle Ages
Vol 4 The Period of the Witch Trials
Vol 5 The 18th & 19th Centuries
Vol 6 The 20th Century
Early Modern Witches: Witchcraft Cases in Contemporary Writing Edited by Marion Gibson

HISTORICAL WITCHCRAFT TEXTS
Malleaus Mallifacarum
The White Goddess – Graves
The new Golden Bough – Frazer
Aradia: Gospel of the Witches – Leyland
A Witchcult in Western Europe – Murray

REFERANCE TEXTS
ABC of Witchcraft – Doreen Valiente
The Witches God – Farrar
The Witches Goddess – Farrar
Spells to Change Your Life - Lois Bourne
Spells and how they work – Farrar

PSYCHOLOGY TEXTS (i.e Lots of Jung!)
Man and His Symbols – Carl Jung
The Undiscovered Self - Carl G. Jung
The Archetypes and The Collective Unconscious - Carl G. Jung
Synchronicity: An Acausal Connecting Principle - Carl G. Jung
Psychology and Religion (The Terry Lectures Series) - Carl G. Jung

BIOGRAPHIES
King of the Witches – June Johns
Fire Child: The Life & Magic of Maxine Sanders 'Witch Queen' - Maxine Sanders
Fifty Years of Wicca – Frederic Lammond
Diary of a Witch - Sybil Leek
Gerald Gardner: Witch - Jack L Bracelin
High Priestess – Patricia Crowther
Witch Amongst Us – Lois Bourne
Witches Speak – Aronld and Patricia Crowther [RARE BOOK]

CEREMONIAL MAGICK AND OCCULT/MYSTICISM TEXTS
Magick in theory and practice – Crowley
The Kabbalah unveiled – Mathers
The Tree of Life: An Illustrated Study in Magic - Israel Regardie
The Training & Work of an Initiate - Dion Fortune

FICTION
Sea Priestess - Dion Fortune
High Magic’s Aid – Scire (Gerald Gardner)
Witches Were For Hanging (Paperback) FICTION – Patricia Crowther


OPEN SOURCE
There are a fair few books that are available open source if you don't mind reading off a computer screen! Some of them might be a little heavy going for the beginner, but they are all classic texts on Wicca and Witchcraft

The Golden Bough
by Sir James George Frazer
http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/frazer/index.htm

The Witch-Cult in Western Europe
by Margaret Alice Murray
http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/wcwe/index.htm

Aradia; Gospel of the Witches
by Charles G. Leland
http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/aradia/index.htm

Etruscan Roman Remains in Popular Tradition
by Charles Godfrey Leland
http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/err/index.htm

Letters on Demonology and Witchcraft
by Sir Walter Scott
http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/scott/index.htm

The Sorceress (La Sorcière) by Jules Michelet
translation by Afred Richard Allinson
http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/sor/index.htm

Witchcraft Today (PDF) - by Gerald Gardner
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wisewoman/WiccaWitchcraftToday.pdf

The Meaning of Witchcraft - Gerald Gardner
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wisewoman/TheMeaningofWitchcraft.doc

High Magics Aid - A 'fictional' book by Gerald Gardner
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wisewoman/HighMagicsAid.doc

Gerald Gardner: Witch - attributed to Jack Bracelin but actually written by Idries Shah http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wisewoman/GeraldGardnerWitch[1].rtf

God of the Witches (PDF) - by Dr Margaret Murray,
http://www.thewica.co.uk/godwitch.pdf

The following are some rare and out of print books by the Crowthers.

The Secrets of Ancient Witchcraft With the Witches Tarot by Arnold Crowther (Hardcover - Jun 1974)

Witchcraft in Yorkshire by Patricia Crowther (Unknown Binding - 1973)

From Stagecraft to Witchcraft: The Early Years of a High Priestess by Patricia Crowther

The Zodiac Experience: Initiation Through the Twelve Signs – Patricia Crowther

And thanks to scorplett for the wonderful book list.