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 Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:38 am
ok i know the title has been done but this is actually talking about it logically not "showing a video and discussing"
now im not saying its not possible, i think its quite possible but it be expensive as all hell and probably heavy. heres what i think looking at it logicly:
the duel disk itself would be basicly a computer with a small hidden microphone that you can talk or yell at you choice, i prefer yell lol (think hey you pikachu - the annoying microphone thing + smaller annoying microphone thing)
this computer/duel disk would need to understand the rules but if it did then it would be really annoying like the ds/GBA games, every time you have mystical space tyhoon or something set every single opertunity it would say in that weird computerised voice, "would you like to activate a spell/trap card."
well what if it didnt make that voice? ok but how would you know when to activate something, sure easy traps are simple like mirror force or negate attack but other ones that need to be activated during his mainphase or whatever. also it wouldnt be exactly like the show cause you would have to say the phase your going into. and you have to say it clearly so the duel disk would understand (reminds me of those commando bots if you didnt say it clear enough lol)
another problem cards that destroy one another. now if the cards are face up then you have no problems, but if there face down. then what. the middle card, the left card, the right card.... ok 2 left out. well i guess they could number them but that would get confusing but ok one problem out of the way.
now back on the computer/duel disk. now every time people came out with new cards your duel disk would need to be upgraded so you could get the proper effects down and so it would have the right halograms. so youde have to plud it in via USB or whatever and download latest cards, ban list, halogram video effects or whatever there called cause a new duel disk cant face off against an old out of date one.
also speaking of ban lists how would you be able to tell there was a banned card in your deck i mean i guess sensors you would have to check in your deck area but that's still 40-60 cards the sensor would have to check threw. how strong are the sensors
but here lies another problem how would they scan/read the cards?! sure the cards have that number on them but if the card gets damaged or something your screwed, you couldn't use sleeves cause then it couldn't be read, make them with a chip in them, sure.... but then all the current cards are worthless.
also cheating!!!!! another problem some people are honest but still, lets say someone trys to pull a fast one and draw another card should an alarm go off and say CHEATER or should it automaticly turn off and the guy gets another win on his record (which is something else it needs, you to register for one and its your name on it, when you win you gt a win when you lose you get a loss, and draw is draw so you could know all your wins and losses)
WHAT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO USE TRADITIONAL AND NOT BANNED...well tats not to hard 5 switches somewhere OFF, USB MODE, RECORD, TRADITIONAL, TOURNAMENT..nope cant be tournament because some tourns let you use banned cards so i guess banned.
anyway these are jsut some problems i see ill probably see more but ive spent an hour thinking about this, not to mention i ahvent even touched hallowgrams
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:47 am
You are doing it wrong.
SOLIDNSNAKE now im not saying its not possible, i think its quite possible but it be expensive as all hell and probably heavy.
That's not much of a problem, except for the price.
Heck, look at how much computers have evolved this last decade.
SOLIDNSNAKE heres what i think looking at it logicly: the duel disk itself would be basicly a computer with a small hidden microphone that you can talk or yell at you choice, i prefer yell lol (think hey you pikachu - the annoying microphone thing + smaller annoying microphone thing) this computer/duel disk would need to understand the rules but if it did then it would be really annoying like the ds/GBA games, every time you have mystical space tyhoon or something set every single opertunity it would say in that weird computerised voice, "would you like to activate a spell/trap card." well what if it didnt make that voice? ok but how would you know when to activate something, sure easy traps are simple like mirror force or negate attack but other ones that need to be activated during his mainphase or whatever. also it wouldnt be exactly like the show cause you would have to say the phase your going into. and you have to say it clearly so the duel disk would understand (reminds me of those commando bots if you didnt say it clear enough lol) another problem cards that destroy one another. now if the cards are face up then you have no problems, but if there face down. then what. the middle card, the left card, the right card.... ok 2 left out. well i guess they could number them but that would get confusing but ok one problem out of the way. SOLIDNSNAKE also speaking of ban lists how would you be able to tell there was a banned card in your deck i mean i guess sensors you would have to check in your deck area but that's still 40-60 cards the sensor would have to check threw. how strong are the sensors SOLIDNSNAKE also cheating!!!!! another problem some people are honest but still, lets say someone trys to pull a fast one and draw another card should an alarm go off and say CHEATER or should it automaticly turn off... SOLIDNSNAKE WHAT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO USE TRADITIONAL AND NOT BANNED...well tats not to hard 5 switches somewhere OFF, USB MODE, RECORD, TRADITIONAL, TOURNAMENT..nope cant be tournament because some tourns let you use banned cards so i guess banned.
What? Why the crap would you need the microphone thingy and all that? A real-life duel disk just needs to be as 'simple' as a hologram projector and LP counter/calculator, deck holder and playing field to place your cards on, nothing else.
SOLIDNSNAKE now back on the computer/duel disk. now every time people came out with new cards your duel disk would need to be upgraded so you could get the proper effects down and so it would have the right halograms. so youde have to plud it in via USB or whatever and download latest cards, ban list, halogram video effects or whatever there called cause a new duel disk cant face off against an old out of date one.
Wow, downloading files through USB, that's quite hard.
SOLIDNSNAKE but here lies another problem how would they scan/read the cards?! sure the cards have that number on them but if the card gets damaged or something your screwed, you couldn't use sleeves cause then it couldn't be read, make them with a chip in them, sure.... but then all the current cards are worthless.
Now, that's something worth discussing.
SOLIDNSNAKE ... and the guy gets another win on his record (which is something else it needs, you to register for one and its your name on it, when you win you gt a win when you lose you get a loss, and draw is draw so you could know all your wins and losses)
A record keeper. That's another interesting thing. Not hard to implement it into an electronic device though.
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:23 am
Hinameki
You are doing it wrong.
SOLIDNSNAKE now im not saying its not possible, i think its quite possible but it be expensive as all hell and probably heavy.
That's not much of a problem, except for the price.
Heck, look at how much computers have evolved this last decade.
SOLIDNSNAKE heres what i think looking at it logicly: the duel disk itself would be basicly a computer with a small hidden microphone that you can talk or yell at you choice, i prefer yell lol (think hey you pikachu - the annoying microphone thing + smaller annoying microphone thing) this computer/duel disk would need to understand the rules but if it did then it would be really annoying like the ds/GBA games, every time you have mystical space tyhoon or something set every single opertunity it would say in that weird computerised voice, "would you like to activate a spell/trap card." well what if it didnt make that voice? ok but how would you know when to activate something, sure easy traps are simple like mirror force or negate attack but other ones that need to be activated during his mainphase or whatever. also it wouldnt be exactly like the show cause you would have to say the phase your going into. and you have to say it clearly so the duel disk would understand (reminds me of those commando bots if you didnt say it clear enough lol) another problem cards that destroy one another. now if the cards are face up then you have no problems, but if there face down. then what. the middle card, the left card, the right card.... ok 2 left out. well i guess they could number them but that would get confusing but ok one problem out of the way. SOLIDNSNAKE also speaking of ban lists how would you be able to tell there was a banned card in your deck i mean i guess sensors you would have to check in your deck area but that's still 40-60 cards the sensor would have to check threw. how strong are the sensors SOLIDNSNAKE also cheating!!!!! another problem some people are honest but still, lets say someone trys to pull a fast one and draw another card should an alarm go off and say CHEATER or should it automaticly turn off... SOLIDNSNAKE WHAT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO USE TRADITIONAL AND NOT BANNED...well tats not to hard 5 switches somewhere OFF, USB MODE, RECORD, TRADITIONAL, TOURNAMENT..nope cant be tournament because some tourns let you use banned cards so i guess banned.
What? Why the crap would you need the microphone thingy and all that? A real-life duel disk just needs to be as 'simple' as a hologram projector and LP counter/calculator, deck holder and playing field to place your cards on, nothing else.
SOLIDNSNAKE now back on the computer/duel disk. now every time people came out with new cards your duel disk would need to be upgraded so you could get the proper effects down and so it would have the right halograms. so youde have to plud it in via USB or whatever and download latest cards, ban list, halogram video effects or whatever there called cause a new duel disk cant face off against an old out of date one.
Wow, downloading files through USB, that's quite hard.
SOLIDNSNAKE but here lies another problem how would they scan/read the cards?! sure the cards have that number on them but if the card gets damaged or something your screwed, you couldn't use sleeves cause then it couldn't be read, make them with a chip in them, sure.... but then all the current cards are worthless.
Now, that's something worth discussing.
SOLIDNSNAKE ... and the guy gets another win on his record (which is something else it needs, you to register for one and its your name on it, when you win you gt a win when you lose you get a loss, and draw is draw so you could know all your wins and losses)
A record keeper. That's another interesting thing. Not hard to implement it into an electronic device though.
to answer "What? Why the crap would you need the microphone thingy and all that? A real-life duel disk just needs to be as 'simple' as a hologram projector and LP counter/calculator, deck holder and playing field to place your cards on, nothing else." the reason for that is if you wanna make it as close to the show as possible, im assuming everyone does then for you to say (in a dramatic pose of course) "NOW BLUE EYES WHITE DRAGON ATTACK HIS DARK MAGICIAN!!!!! " and for it to happen. cause in the rule book it says your actions must be said loud and clear so yea it hears you and it will follow threw
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:43 am
SOLIDNSNAKE to answer "What? Why the crap would you need the microphone thingy and all that? A real-life duel disk just needs to be as 'simple' as a hologram projector and LP counter/calculator, deck holder and playing field to place your cards on, nothing else." the reason for that is if you wanna make it as close to the show as possible, im assuming everyone does then for you to say (in a dramatic pose of course) "NOW BLUE EYES WHITE DRAGON ATTACK HIS DARK MAGICIAN!!!!! " and for it to happen. cause in the rule book it says your actions must be said loud and clear so yea it hears you and it will follow threw
One step at a time. Until we finally mass produce an affordable, light, duel disk that can project static hologram images, then we can think of fancier stuff such as voice-activated commands.
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:50 am
Hinameki SOLIDNSNAKE to answer "What? Why the crap would you need the microphone thingy and all that? A real-life duel disk just needs to be as 'simple' as a hologram projector and LP counter/calculator, deck holder and playing field to place your cards on, nothing else." the reason for that is if you wanna make it as close to the show as possible, im assuming everyone does then for you to say (in a dramatic pose of course) "NOW BLUE EYES WHITE DRAGON ATTACK HIS DARK MAGICIAN!!!!! " and for it to happen. cause in the rule book it says your actions must be said loud and clear so yea it hears you and it will follow threw
One step at a time. Until we finally mass produce an affordable, light, duel disk that can project static hologram images, then we can think of fancier stuff such as voice-activated commands.
not nessisarily, see this may take a while but this seems like one of those things they are gonna wanna make right once and never gaian, cause this would cost alot of money LET ALONE remake it again with extras. ide say one of these would cost about 1-2 grand and that could be on black friday
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:26 am
SOLIDNSNAKE not nessisarily, see this may take a while but this seems like one of those things they are gonna wanna make right once and never gaian, cause this would cost alot of money LET ALONE remake it again with extras. ide say one of these would cost about 1-2 grand and that could be on black friday
That's why I say "one step at a time." If the 'first wave' of duel disks (The simpler ones) don't sell enough to make a profit, then why bother with all the fancy stuff?
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:45 am
Hinameki SOLIDNSNAKE not nessisarily, see this may take a while but this seems like one of those things they are gonna wanna make right once and never gaian, cause this would cost alot of money LET ALONE remake it again with extras. ide say one of these would cost about 1-2 grand and that could be on black friday
That's why I say "one step at a time." If the 'first wave' of duel disks (The simpler ones) don't sell enough to make a profit, then why bother with all the fancy stuff?
you would need it all because if you ahd holograms you would want them to actually do attacking motion (cause if i just wanted to look at a monster ide look at the card) and if it did shoot holograms that attacked then youde have to type in stuff to do it or press stuff, voice activated is easier,and actually they could make 2 in a certain place and have people come in to test it. see problem solved, they make 2 thye test it depending on how well its liked they can make adjustments to peoples liking then sell it
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:04 pm
SOLIDNSNAKE you would need it all because if you ahd holograms you would want them to actually do attacking motion (cause if i just wanted to look at a monster ide look at the card) and if it did shoot holograms that attacked then youde have to type in stuff to do it or press stuff, voice activated is easier,and actually they could make 2 in a certain place and have people come in to test it. see problem solved, they make 2 thye test it depending on how well its liked they can make adjustments to peoples liking then sell it
I wouldn't advice you to go into marketing. What you are suggesting might make the manufacturer of the duel disks go bankrupt; it's a big fat gamble. Releasing a v1 and seeing how the sales go first before releasing v2 is much safer.
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:26 pm
Hinameki SOLIDNSNAKE you would need it all because if you ahd holograms you would want them to actually do attacking motion (cause if i just wanted to look at a monster ide look at the card) and if it did shoot holograms that attacked then youde have to type in stuff to do it or press stuff, voice activated is easier,and actually they could make 2 in a certain place and have people come in to test it. see problem solved, they make 2 thye test it depending on how well its liked they can make adjustments to peoples liking then sell it
I wouldn't advice you to go into marketing. What you are suggesting might make the manufacturer of the duel disks go bankrupt; it's a big fat gamble. Releasing a v1 and seeing how the sales go first before releasing v2 is much safer.
I think they should take a lot of donations from duellists around the world, and make the disks only for duel arenas in specific places (probably by 2010 if they start now). Until they get enough feedback, they then make the duel disks for public. Yeah, Hinameki is right though, v1, then v2.
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:31 pm
Well, I've been discussing this possibility of this issue with my friends and colleagues for a very long time, and this is the idea that we've established:
Basic Struture
-Using the same shell for the original toy Battle City/Chaos/Osiris Red Duel Disks (or any other new model with more sturdier plastic or metal), we will throw in a small circular computer tower that fits in the base.
-The base will then have a pull a small computer screen that props up at the end of the row where the cards are placed.
-The screen will be touch sensitive, and can bring up menu's, much like a YVD-style interface. It will serve also to calculate life points.
Card Management
-The cards shall be played just like the regular toy Duel Disks. Monster's shall be placed in ATK or DEF mode on the top of the row that "pop" out, and Spells and Traps shall be played underneath.
-The mini-circular-tower will act as the "scanner" that will enable us to determine what cards are being played.
-There shall be 13 small webcam-like cameras on he device. Five that are stationed on the each of the Monster Card zones, five that are stationed underneath the row where the Spell and Trap Zones are located, one that is attached to the Field Card Zone, one that is situated looking down on your Graveyard, and one that is situated in the Removed zone.
-The tower will serve two purposes; one that will run the most recent World Championship software on the pull out screen, and the second will be programmed with a simple algorithm.
-The camera's will be strategically located to take a picture of the card's art, it will then match the art to all the cards in the Yu-Gi-Oh! card database, and determine what card you are playing. The result will appear on the screen, and appear in the appropriate simulated zone. If the monster is Set, the computer will only see the back, and treat it as an Unknown, and reveal a simple set monster. Upon it's flip, it will be revealed as the proper monster. As far as Spell/Traps are concerned, the computer will recognize the art of the card you have set, and reveal it on the screen as a set card. To activate, you must quickly remove and then replace the card, with the art facing upward and the back of the card facing the camera. The camera will see the back, recognize that the card has been activated, and reveal the appropriate art within the screen.
-The screen and the camera's will have no knowledge of your hand. If you wish to activate a Quick-Play from your hand, simply reveal it to your opponent and you can adjust the field manually using the screen's touch controls, and then reset the cards on your Duel Disk to the proper position/Graveyard/Back to hand/etc...
-When a monster attacks and successfully destroys a monster, since the computer will know who attacked whom, it can successfully calculate damage appropriately. When Spells or Traps are activated, they will be resolved in the proper order before Damage is applied. For monster Effects to be activate, manually declare it's activation into the touch-screen.
-When loading your Deck, input your Deck count into the computer, and insert your deck into the holder. To avoid cheating, your opponent is allowed to count the cards in your deck after you've declared your count. Everytime you draw a card, a sensor will indicate that one card is missing, and reduce your Deck count and your Hand count on the screen. When putting a card back into your Deck, or when using effects like Dark Grepher or Foolish Burial, for example, simply modify your new Deck count on the screen. Keep in mind your opponent can see this count, so you cannot lie and not remove a card.
-When a card is sent to the Grave, insert the card into the appropriate Graveyard slot on the disk. A sensor will go off, adding to your Grave count. If you remove cards from the Grave, you must adjust your Grave count manually. To activate card Effects from the Grave, the camera will keep track of cards that have entered the Grave, and what order they have entered. Simply bring up the Grave menu, select the card in there who's effect you'd like to activate, and resolve it.
-For Removed from Play cards, these cards will be placed in a new slot that will be developed. The camera serves the same function as that in the Graveyard.
Software
-With new World Championship games arriving on the DS (or any future handheld) at a steady pace, it will be simple to take one shell, work off of it, and develop our own software. It will give us a view similar to that on the D-Wheels in 5D's.
-The Disk will contain USB software, that will update the software, new Sets, and Ban List as released. The Disk will also contain a wireless LAN that is capable of letting you know when a new update is needed. If you do not update, you Disk will no longer run.
-The software will also feature an encyclopedia of Individual Card Rulings.
Holograms
-Each Disk will emit a projection in three-dimensions that will depict the monster's in play, Set monsters, and Set cards. Players will wear 3-D glasses to make the images "pop". Depending on lighting conditions, the hologram may not fully function (we are still trying to decide how we will go about holograms).
-When Set monsters are attacked, once flipped on the Disk, the monster will be revealed on the field, before disappearing (or blowing up) as will be the norm with all cards that become destroyed. When a Set card is flipped, it will go upward much like the show, revealing the card name, art, and text.
-Card effects will not have any significant animation (unless future updates allow it)
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:23 pm
Hinameki SOLIDNSNAKE you would need it all because if you ahd holograms you would want them to actually do attacking motion (cause if i just wanted to look at a monster ide look at the card) and if it did shoot holograms that attacked then youde have to type in stuff to do it or press stuff, voice activated is easier,and actually they could make 2 in a certain place and have people come in to test it. see problem solved, they make 2 thye test it depending on how well its liked they can make adjustments to peoples liking then sell it
I wouldn't advice you to go into marketing. What you are suggesting might make the manufacturer of the duel disks go bankrupt; it's a big fat gamble. Releasing a v1 and seeing how the sales go first before releasing v2 is much safer.
maybe but they have enough money im sure, this is why they make 2 prototypes, advertise, host it in a building the two duel disks, have 2 lines one for one and one for the other, after a few days to a week look at the responces and sugjestions. and depending on the outcome you choose to make it or not
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:49 pm
On the idea of the scanning the card to play it, why not (tabletop games only) use a scanner-like (2 scanning screens) live feed machine connecting to the screen/field?
Ex. Open hatch, set card, close hatch.
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Jevan R. H. Divinitive Crew
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:42 am
Looking through all of this I can safely say that no-one is ever going to bother to make an actual duel disk, at least not in the near future. If you want to play with cards, use a table. If you want a virtual duel, use a game. Now the games will evolve and will become more sofisticated but no one is going to go to the trouble of combining them when there are these two viable alternatives already in play.
The closest you could hope for is an attachment to the DS which looks like a duel disk.
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:12 pm
Jevan R. H. Divinitive Looking through all of this I can safely say that no-one is ever going to bother to make an actual duel disk, at least not in the near future. If you want to play with cards, use a table. If you want a virtual duel, use a game. Now the games will evolve and will become more sofisticated but no one is going to go to the trouble of combining them when there are these two viable alternatives already in play. The closest you could hope for is an attachment to the DS which looks like a duel disk. sadly but if i make it big at what i hope to do ill invest money to make my own lol
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Jevan R. H. Divinitive Crew
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:21 pm
SOLIDNSNAKE Jevan R. H. Divinitive Looking through all of this I can safely say that no-one is ever going to bother to make an actual duel disk, at least not in the near future. If you want to play with cards, use a table. If you want a virtual duel, use a game. Now the games will evolve and will become more sofisticated but no one is going to go to the trouble of combining them when there are these two viable alternatives already in play. The closest you could hope for is an attachment to the DS which looks like a duel disk. sadly but if i make it big at what i hope to do ill invest money to make my own lol That would cost you a lot considering the extra costs of copyright payments ontop of the research, testing and construction.
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