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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:24 pm
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:58 pm
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:59 pm
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:04 am
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:22 am
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:06 am
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:31 pm
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:28 pm
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TatteredAngel This brings up some questions for me. Tea, you're talking about intention, but if you have someone who is broadcasting like all hell, but is not for all intents and purposes a believer in such a thing, where does that leave them? It wouldn't be an intentional act, because they don't think they're actually doing it? Right? Or not so much?
I had a long and very interesting debate with my husband about this. I say that it is an intentional act. Intent is not limited to the conscious.
I'm going to use a painfully familiar example: Fluffy Teens who decide they are Wiccan High Priestesses.
Their conscious intent behind their primary action is to develop a relationship with their inner-divine-bloody-goddess. [/over simplification].
Their unconscious intent is to establish moral autonomy by developing a sense of self that contrasts with the authority figures in their lives. [/over simplification].
Thus we have actions and motivations that the individual is unable to intellectually quantify or qualify, but it is an intentional act all the same.
Energetically speaking- people do the same thing. If their personality develops a reserved person this builds in certain shields independently of thoughtful intention. Likewise, people who develop in ways where they splash their thoughts and energy around there are personal reasons for it.
I had a hard time coming to terms with this myself. I had a very dear friend suggest to me that I was "Too High Energy" for him sometimes. He's a non-metaphysical agnostic. He was speaking personality wise. I reworked my shields and our friendship got even better because I wasn't overwhelming him so much. (For the Recon Folks: it was Rem. Smart cookie that one. )Quote: is it just a matter of shielding if you don't want to pick up on it sometimes? Depends on how good you are at shielding, how badly they want to splash or yell and other factors, such as where your attention is.
Quote: Is there any way to just shut off for a while? There are ways to do that. If there weren't, I'm sure I'd be a lot more stressed than I am.
Quote: Is that a good solution or not? I think that's something you have to determine for yourself and within your own tradition.
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:03 pm
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:04 pm
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Fiddlers Green To me, it is one thing for a person to observe what I am showing... this includes hearing my loud thoughts or the like. That is just fine. However, if someone tries to steal my secrets, attempts to intrusively enter my memories, or scry me in any other way for that matter... without my permission... There is an excellent chance I will consider them a mortal enemy. I will not actively violate another person like that. I appreciate similar courtesy. For me, it all revolves around whether the event is intrusive or not. I can't blame someone for seeing me if I wander outside naked, or stand in my window so. However, if they club me in the head and strip my clothing off, then we have an issue. Do you have an opinion on if it was the other person being intrusive or if the universe conspired to those ends?
This gets to be my really absurd analogy for the day.
You friend is waiting out by their car for you to finish showering, dress and come out for lunch when a mini-tornado lifts the house from it's foundation and sets it on top of your neighbor's house, leaving you naked as a jay bird and them looking at the result of the tornado including your behind?
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:35 pm
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TeaDidikai Do you have an opinion on if it was the other person being intrusive or if the universe conspired to those ends? This gets to be my really absurd analogy for the day. You friend is waiting out by their car for you to finish showering, dress and come out for lunch when a mini-tornado lifts the house from it's foundation and sets it on top of your neighbor's house, leaving you naked as a jay bird and them looking at the result of the tornado including your behind? In that case, I would hope my friend would help me, you know, not die from just being tornadoed. My exposure is of trivial import compared to the disaster occurring around us. Now, assuming the tornado had not harmed me, I would expect any friend of mine to avert their eyes, unless there was some massive mitigating circumstance otherwise. In this metaphor at least. Outside of this metaphor, I may be more concerned with helping my neighbor, who may be in serious trouble from my house having pulled a visit to Oz on them, and I am not at all okay with leaving people to die while I am protecting my modesty.
Also, you are correct, this analogy is sorta reaching for refuge in absurdity. wink
Edit:Also, if my Home (Mind) as it were, were ripped apart at the foundation, and hurled atop my neighbors... I doubt I would be in any condition to ever care again either way. This kind of disaster is not something I would survive. Even if I did, I would likely get myself killed striking at the source of that wind. If such a force had targeted me, and I wouldn't believe it was just coincidence, I would hunt it without mercy. I would obsess over it. My every coherent thought would be of it's destruction or banishment. even if I did receive satisfaction, I would likely kill myself afterwards. I have been sworn to secrecy in many things, if I can be so easily toppled, I must destroy myself and see to it that my secrets, what few remain, follow me into oblivion, rather than risk them being broadcasted.
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:42 pm
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:01 am
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:18 am
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:56 pm
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