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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:37 pm
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:49 pm
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:01 pm
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ShadowCatSoul I prayed to the Lord and Lady Which lord and lady would these be?
Quote: Can someone please help me understand what this all means? It could be "an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of an underdone potato."
What leads you to believe it is anything else? What tests did you do in order to determine what it was?
PrayThatThisEnds I believe that spirits being in the dream or not being in the dream is not the main point - you have a gift. Does she? How do you figure?
Quote: 'Do what thou Wilt is the whole of the Law' - this is critical. If it's so critical, why the ******** are you forgetting the second half?! eek Quote: As for "moon magic" - I have not heard of any such thing since the sun takes critical importance in magick, since thats where all the old traditions are based, unless, of course you are Gardnerian... Hasty generalization if I ever saw one.
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:18 pm
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TeaDidikai ShadowCatSoul I prayed to the Lord and Lady Which lord and lady would these be? Quote: Can someone please help me understand what this all means? It could be "an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of an underdone potato." What leads you to believe it is anything else? What tests did you do in order to determine what it was? PrayThatThisEnds I believe that spirits being in the dream or not being in the dream is not the main point - you have a gift. Does she? How do you figure? Quote: 'Do what thou Wilt is the whole of the Law' - this is critical. If it's so critical, why the f**k are you forgetting the second half?! eek Quote: As for "moon magic" - I have not heard of any such thing since the sun takes critical importance in magick, since thats where all the old traditions are based, unless, of course you are Gardnerian... Hasty generalization if I ever saw one. Uhm.. What do you mean? Spiritual powers can be pre-disposition since birth or acquired conciously or subconciously at any time. I'm just assuming, nothing wrong with that.
And for the record, the second half is found seperate in Liber Al from the portion the "Do what thou Wilt is the whole of the Law" comes from.
"40. Who calls us Thelemites will do no wrong, if he look but close into the word. For there are therein Three Grades, the Hermit, and the Lover, and the man of Earth. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
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57. Invoke me under my stars! Love is the law, love under will. Nor let the fools mistake love; for there are love and love. There is the dove, and there is the serpent. Choose ye well! He, my prophet, hath chosen, knowing the law of the fortress, and the great mystery of the House of God. "
If they are seperate in Liber Al, then why does it matter if they are seperate elsewhere? They are just the main message of Thelema. In Doing your Will, there is Love. The ending assures us that the law is love - and love is the main message of the whole law.
LVX. Fr.L.e.L
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:57 pm
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PrayThatThisEnds Spiritual powers can be pre-disposition since birth Would you care to prove this assertion?
Quote: I'm just assuming, nothing wrong with that. Unless of course your assumptions are poorly thought out and feed into a Mr. Dark.
Quote: If they are seperate in Liber Al, then why does it matter if they are seperate elsewhere? Because you're removing context. rolleyes
Quote: They are just the main message of Thelema. In Doing your Will, there is Love. The ending assures us that the law is love - and love is the main message of the whole law. There is love and there is love... and if you're feeding snippets of information out of context, you're doing others a disservice and quite frankly, being rather ignorant.
You're sending people off on a fool's errand when you suggest that half of the statement is enough to be a guide.
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:12 pm
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TeaDidikai PrayThatThisEnds Spiritual powers can be pre-disposition since birth Would you care to prove this assertion? Thats what many people claim. If thats not true that there is no such possiblity, please prove yours that its not. Quote: I'm just assuming, nothing wrong with that. Unless of course your assumptions are poorly thought out and feed into a Mr. Dark. You lost me with Mr.Dark. Whoever that is. Quote: If they are seperate in Liber Al, then why does it matter if they are seperate elsewhere? Because you're removing context. rolleyes Right, and your knowledge of Thelema is so vast, thats why Aleister Crowley in EVERY Liber opens with " Do what thou ..." and closes with "Love is the Law.." because he took it out of context as well. Of course, Crowley was wrong about his own creation. wink
Quote: They are just the main message of Thelema. In Doing your Will, there is Love. The ending assures us that the law is love - and love is the main message of the whole law. There is love and there is love... and if you're feeding snippets of information out of context, you're doing others a disservice and quite frankly, being rather ignorant.
You're sending people off on a fool's errand when you suggest that half of the statement is enough to be a guide.
I'm feeding nothing out of context - if anyone wants to correct me, they can either: check the Book of the law, its available everywhere. I'm the one being ignorant? I'm the one here who has sources and quotes and links to almost everything I say. All you're doing is telling me to prove things, snickering about my opinions, or telling me to answer other challenges - that and of course, personal insults on top of it. Id like you to provide sources where you wish to correct me, whether you are right or not. prove it to me from any source other then Silver Ravenwolf or Buck Cunningham.
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:37 pm
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PrayThatThisEnds Thats what many people claim. One... one logical fallacy! Mwahaha! This one is known as "appeal to popularity".
Quote: If thats not true that there is no such possiblity, please prove yours that its not. Two... two logical fallacies! Mwahaha! This one is known as "Shifting the Burden of Proof".
Quote: You lost me with Mr.Dark. Whoever that is. Mr. Dark is a term used to describe what happens when people feed into delusions. Usually this manifests as grandeur or uber-powers. Most of them turn out to be rather harmless, but some of them have lead to social drama that causes more harm than you can fathom or actual violent episodes.
Shadow's conduct leads me to believe that the more serious issue would be her confusing "nifty dreams" with something of more meaning that would end in a lack of fulfillment and a need to scrap the false trail such unfounded direction would provide.
Quote: Right, and your knowledge of Thelema is so vast, thats why Aleister Crowley in EVERY Liber opens with " Do what thou ..." and closes with "Love is the Law.." because he took it out of context as well. Of course, Crowley was wrong about his own creation. wink Wrong? No. But he certainly wasn't direct. But hey- at least he included the second part. More than can be said for your mental masturbation.
Quote: I'm feeding nothing out of context - if anyone wants to correct me, they can either: check the Book of the law, its available everywhere. Problem with your assertion. Not everyone knows it's from the Book of the Law.
Quote: I'm the one being ignorant? Yep. Your words are petty thoughtless and ignorant because they hing on your world view without enough context for others who aren't familiar with Ceremonial traditions to understand and in some cases, argue for theological traditions that directly contradict others systems.
Quote: I'm the one here who has sources and quotes and links to almost everything I say. Yep, and some of those have contradicted yourself most amusingly.
Quote: All you're doing is telling me to prove things Heaven forbid! What a horrible thing for someone to do!
Quote: snickering about my opinions, They are pretty silly in some places. ~shrugs~
Quote: or telling me to answer other challenges If you're going to make unfounded claims in a De-fluffing guild, you're going to be met with challenges. -
Quote: that and of course, personal insults on top of it. Care to show me a personal insult?
Quote: Id like you to provide sources where you wish to correct me, whether you are right or not. This is another case of shifting the burden of proof.
Quote: prove it to me from any source other then Silver Ravenwolf or Buck Cunningham. Does anyone know who Buck Cunningham is? confused
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:08 pm
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:13 pm
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:11 pm
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:09 pm
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:21 pm
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ShadowCatSoul And as for tests, I don't know how to do tests to see what is what. One way to test is to research different symbols which appeared in your dream, such as the moon, and find out what different cultural aspects constellate around them.
In my experience, however, there is a difference between dreams and visions. The former often contain religious and spiritual symbols, but are speaking to your psychological or self-development. The latter are calls to action or interaction. The dream sounds much more like commentary on things you were dealing with two years ago, and your relationships with our best friends, than anything necessarily deity-related.
I find your repeated mention of people telling you you "couldn't" worship the Celtic gods or the Wiccan gods curious, though; not because that isn't likely the case, but because your inclusion of that seems to be carrying an unspoken demand that one back up your visions against those claims, so that you can go on to think and worship whom you chose without regard to research or effort.
This is disrespectful, both to those who did the work and have the background to worship the Celtic gods or the Wiccan gods, and to the gods themselves, as you are essentially saying they aren't worth the effort to get to know them and their strictures, but instead they should dance attendance on you.
You might want to rethink your attitude.
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:30 pm
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PrayThatThisEnds I believe that spirits being in the dream or not being in the dream is not the main point - you have a gift. You have no means to support this position, it's frankly absurd to come out with this frelling nonsense.
PrayThatThisEnds As for "moon magic" - I have not heard of any such thing since the sun takes critical importance in magick, since thats where all the old traditions are based, unless, of course you are Gardnerian... The Gael placed no significance upon the sun. All of our festivals are lunar based. We planted seeds by the moon, we harvested by the moon, we hunted by the moon, we prayed by the moon. The moon is so sacred there is no word in our language for it.
I am not a Gardnerian, nor a Wiccan. I have no relationship to Wicca of any nature. I am a Gael. My statements come backed and supported by the Annals, Anthropology and Archaeology. Where do yours come from?
And if you expect me to recognise you based upon the titles in your sig, I could add my titles to my sig, they're significantly longer.
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 3:20 pm
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CuAnnan PrayThatThisEnds I believe that spirits being in the dream or not being in the dream is not the main point - you have a gift. You have no means to support this position, it's frankly absurd to come out with this frelling nonsense. PrayThatThisEnds As for "moon magic" - I have not heard of any such thing since the sun takes critical importance in magick, since thats where all the old traditions are based, unless, of course you are Gardnerian... The Gael placed no significance upon the sun. All of our festivals are lunar based. We planted seeds by the moon, we harvested by the moon, we hunted by the moon, we prayed by the moon. The moon is so sacred there is no word in our language for it. I am not a Gardnerian, nor a Wiccan. I have no relationship to Wicca of any nature. I am a Gael. My statements come backed and supported by the Annals, Anthropology and Archaeology. Where do yours come from? And if you expect me to recognise you based upon the titles in your sig, I could add my titles to my sig, they're significantly longer. Wow, god forbid i not know something, xd
Thank you for letting me know the exception.
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