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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:10 pm
Shota? What is it? What does it mean? I know that there is a thread that asks if you like this or not. I'm confused about what it is. There are people who say that it is underage boy with underage boy, underage boy with adult man, and teacher with student.
From the definition that I have found it is most just underage boy with underage boy and underage boy with adult man or even underage boy with adult woman. How does the teacher with student come into this? Isn't that just yaoi/shounen-ai? In the teacher with student there is no underage boy in them unless stated other wise. So the example of say Junjou Romantica as a shota in wrong.
There is nothing said about a certain age gap other then underage and adult. Are the people out there getting things wrong?
"underage = prepubescent"
Definition of shota: Shotacon (ショタコン, Shotacon?), sometimes shortened to shota (ショタ, shota?), is a Japanese term for a sexual complex where a person is sexually attracted towards a young and/or underage boy. In the Western world, it refers specifically to artwork or manga depicting pre-pubescent or pubescent boys in sexual situations. Shotacon art is often explicit in nature; some common themes include yaoi (homosexual relationships), cross-dressing, and in some cases incest with an older sibling or other family member. The female equivalent to shotacon is lolicon.
Shotacon typically features relationships between young boys and adult women, this related but less common genre is referred to as straight shota. Yaoi shotacon features young boys, but includes men or other young boys. In anime, yaoi shotacon themes are far less common than heterosexual ones. Many prominent series include straight shotacon, notably FLCL and Negima!, these series include scenes where older women press themselves on boys.
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:32 pm
Rulin' ya universes... Um... the article you posted pretty much explained it ^^;; Shotacon is an underage boy in a sexual/romantic situation. I'm moving this to the chatterbox.
...since 1992.
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:46 am
Quote: Rulin' ya universes... Um... the article you posted pretty much explained it ^^;; Shotacon is an underage boy in a sexual/romantic situation. I'm moving this to the chatterbox. ...since 1992. That really does help any. There were a few questions that I was wondering about, and they probable wont get answered.
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:51 pm
Takahata San Quote: Rulin' ya universes... Um... the article you posted pretty much explained it ^^;; Shotacon is an underage boy in a sexual/romantic situation. I'm moving this to the chatterbox. ...since 1992. That really does help any. There were a few questions that I was wondering about, and they probable wont get answered. Rulin' ya universes...
I just defined shotacon for you... Wasn't a definition what you asked for? As long as an underaged/very young boy (usually younger than 15) is romantically/sexually involved, it's shotacon. Teacher and student is not necessarily shotacon because the boy doesn't have to be really young.
...since 1992.
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:19 pm
I get the definition but I want to know if people getting the whole teacher x student thong wrong, because I people say that's part of shota. even when there is not underage/prepubescent boy or boys.
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:50 pm
Takahata San I get the definition but I want to know if people getting the whole teacher x student thong wrong, because I people say that's part of shota. even when there is not underage/prepubescent boy or boys. If there are no underage boys involved it is not shota. It's that simple. There can be teacher/student shota, but there can also be teacher/student that is not shota.
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:15 pm
But why is it that when I see people talking about shota they always include teacher x student in the meaning of it. It's like they are mixing it up something.
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:44 pm
Are you sure they aren't just using student/teacher as an example? It's common for the adult/child shota to use this scenario, but not exclusive.
Also, while the term should technically be used only for pre-pubescent and pubescent characters in sexual situations, people define 'underage' differently depending on where they live. For example, in the US the age of consent is 18, so someone from there might consider shota to be anything involving characters under the age of 18 involved in sexual acts. But in Chile, for example, the age of consent is 14, and in some third world countries girls are married off as soon as they have their first period. People from these cultures might not consider something shota if the characters are, say, 15, but someone in America might.
Also, technically something between a college student and a professor would be teacher/student, but it's clearly not shota.
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:47 pm
I have seen definitions that say underage boy and underage buy, underage boy and adult man, and teacher and student.
Also with while the term should technically be used only for pre-pubescent and pubescent characters in sexual situations. This would mean boys who have reached puberty and younger. Which in turn would mean that the age of consent wouldn't be a fact.
And yes I understand that something between a college student and a professor would be teacher/student, but it's clearly not shota.
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:58 am
Rulin' ya universes... stressed Ok. Shotacon = Prepubescent/underage boy in a romantic/sexual relationship.
If neither of the characters are underage/prepubescent, it's not Shotacon.
A Teacher/Student relationship is not necessarily Shotacon, depending on the physical maturity of the character.
...since 1992.
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:55 am
I don't really understand what's so confusing about this, really.
I think we've pretty much spelled out what is and isn't shota in the simplest terms possible.
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:41 pm
First of all I never really said anything about it being confusing. I was just wondering if perhaps people where just lumping all teacher/student in with shota. Plus I just want to see how others seen this.
Miss Sushii, I was wondering if you might have meant to say something else when you said this "If neither of the characters are underage/prepubescent, it's not Shotacon." Did you mean "aren't" or "is"??
And I'm sorry if I made you guys mad for wanting to talk about this. I just want to talk out sheer interest. Not so much about the definition itself either just the topic in general. Because I get the definition and I know everyone will interrupt it in many different ways. I was just wondering with I always seen teacher/student in the definitions people gave on shota, that's all.
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:32 pm
I think we've answered that question, but you keep asking it, which does get a bit annoying at times and makes it seem as though you don't understand.
Teacher/student is not always shota. It should not be included in the definition except as an example of genre.
The definition is: pre-pubescent, pubescent, or underage characters involved in sexual situations with either characters of the same age or older characters.
What Miss Sushii said is correct. If neither character is "underage" then it is not shota, pure and simple. However, "underage" can be interpreted differently depending on your culture, as I stated in an earlier post.
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:37 am
Well we really didn't answer the first question of "are people out there getting it wrong?" Plus I don't always bring up the same part. It's usually different in same way. Quote: The definition is: pre-pubescent, pubescent, or underage characters involved in sexual situations with either characters of the same age or older characters. You have changed your definition. I believe this is also a problem with shota, people changing the definition to suit their argument. Because nowhere in any definition I have found, wikipedia's or the more direct translation, does it say any thing about the age of consent. So I don't believe that the age of consent is a fact in determining what is shota and what is not shota. For Miss Sushii's statement I did get that wrong, She was correct. I read it wrong the first time I read it.
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:19 pm
Yeah, we did answer the "are people getting it wrong" part. We did so by defining the term.
No, age of consent should not be a factor in what is considered shota, but it is used in many definitions despite this. I've stated this before.
If I were to write something where a 14-year-old is involved with someone in, say, their 20s would this be considered shota? Possibly. By 14 a boy could still be going through puberty, but he also might be done, so it isn't clear whether he would fall under the category of 'pubescent' that makes it technically shota. This is why the age of consent is brought into the definition by many, to try and alleviate confusion like this.
Personally I don't consider it shota if both characters are 16 or older (the average age of consent). By then it's fairly certain that a boy would be through puberty. But other people might not think this same way.
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