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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:07 am
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:43 pm
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wolfkatt It seems to be an increasing "trend" to say one is a Christian Wiccan, Christo-Pagan, and other variations on this. I know it is possible to be a Catholic or Jewsish Witch ( as two examples) but I am confused with the whole "Christian Wiccan (CW)" revolution that seems to be growing. When I first heard of this "phenomena" several years ago - there was basically a revolt (if you will) from the Pagan community towards these CW proclaimers but now it seems those who originally "revolted" have either changed their minds or become silent. Anyways, let me get to the point - is it possible to blend these two religions together? Or in doing so, are the people who proclaim to be CWs either refusing to let go of their Christian upbringing for fear of retribution from society or because different forms of Paganism are on the rise and "it's the cool thing to do"? Pretty much - I don't understand and would like to glean some info.
Wicca and Christianity are not compatible as religious practices - even if you don't 'cross the streams', it's impossible to practice either faith properly, if you're trying to practice both. You cannot follow both at the same time, plain and simple.
What a lot of people really mean to say, I believe, is that they're Christian witches - however they justify the practice of witchcraft within the realms of Christian faith. Witchcraft can play with all sorts of religions, or none at all. That's possible because witchcraft is a practice, not a religion on its' own.
I have never met any self-declared 'Christian Wiccans' who were actually Wiccan, for whatever that's worth.
I don't believe the revolt is over...just that it's not the newest, latest trend popping up all over the place anymore. It's either gotten old to argue with the people who assert their 'Christian Wicca' is valid, over and over and over, or those who were loudest leading the charge that they're 'Christian Wiccans' have actually gotten a clue. I'm sure it's just people are sick of arguing with idiots, not that the idiots have gone away.
As long as books are still published asserting all sorts of stupidity about Wicca, and doing 'whatever feels right', there will be people asserting that they're something they're not, and can't be.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:46 pm
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:47 pm
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:45 pm
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:08 am
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:26 am
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:44 am
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:15 am
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:24 am
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TeaDidikai Could someone explain what element of Wica makes it incompatible?
Wica's emphasis on sex, and the free expression of such, is greatly in conflict with Christianity's various sects and their doctrines about sex - or so I feel. Perhaps I'm not as educated as I should be on the Christian side of things, but I've never been Christian so I don't know.
I am not sure what view Christianity takes of reincarnation. It's a central enough concept in Wicca that I think not having a belief in reincarnation makes it difficult to be Wiccan, and I assume believing in reincarnation is difficult to reconcile to Christianity.
PoeticVengeance Wait... do Wiccans actually worship their deities? I admit I know very little of Wicca, so let me know where inaccuracies are cropping up.
It would help to know how you think of 'worship".
Teague the Druid Really, crossing monotheism with polytheism has happened many times. Treating the god and goddess as one seems to happen fairly often, adding lesser deities to the main one happens, and sometimes people just ignore the rules against mixing and do it anyway. I don't see why you couldn't, though it doesn't mean I like it.
It happens with soft polytheism, at least. I'm not a soft polytheist. Wicca, as I understand it, is not soft-polythestic either. The God and Goddess of Wicca are specific deities, with specific names - they're just not spoken of with non-initiates. We use honorifics like 'Lord' and 'Lady for them in situations with non-initiates, which leads to people assuming that they're soft-polytheistic. No-one who writes those "Wiccan" books would ever point out that Wicca is oathbound and initiatory, and the Lord and Lady have specific names. They'd stop selling books, that way.
Fusing the Lord and Lady together into a single God/dess, or slapping someone else's name on them, would be incredibly rude and inaccurate. Maybe it works with other paths, but it wouldn't work in Wicca.
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:03 am
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:09 am
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:14 am
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:21 am
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:43 am
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TeaDidikai Morgandria Wica's emphasis on sex, and the free expression of such, is greatly in conflict with Christianity's various sects and their doctrines about sex - or so I feel. This is what I wanted to know. Thanks. I'm well versed enough with Christendom that I can see why individuals would assume based on generic Christian doctrine why it is incompatible. I wanted to know what doctrines of The Wica made The Wica feel such. So basically- sex. (Ete has a delightful paper on Christian reincarnation that would work just fine within the context of a Reconstructionist Christian tradition) Is there anything else that comes to mind?
I always believed the major point of conflict was that all Wiccans are clergy of two specific deities (and the practice is for the gods and being mastered by the gods), and the Christian doctrine to have no god before YHVH. Am I misunderstanding the direct conflict between these two religions?
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