Homosexualities Focus On Sexuality

[8Ares8]

Something that I have been a firm believer in for a while is that the Bible does say that homosexuality is wrong. I personally agree with this in the sense the the sexuality is the part that is wrong, sinful.

What I am getting at is that sometimes just as some like Paul of Tarsus are not called to be married. Some are not necessarily fulfilled by relationships with people of the opposite gender. I like to use the example of bromance to describe it, but when someone has a friend so great that they are a part of them that they can be together for their entire lifetime. This is something that we as christians can smile upon.

Don't get me wrong I am drawing a line at physical relations, such as sex(A:the Bible declares it to be wrong and B:nasty), and kissing(for biological reasons)

What are your thoughts on this line of thinking?  

[Matt Pniewski]

I'm confused as to the part where Marriage works into the situation. Also, referring to physical intimacy as "wrong and nasty" and not simply stating your belief that the Bible is against all non reproductive sex does imply that you have HR Giger style sexual phobias. Just saying.


Let's say I cannot be fulfilled by a woman. Instead, I have a strong friendship with my friend Jeff. This friendship is as intense as any love between a man and a woman, except it's platonic. Now, we live together. We both work, but his job doesn't give him insurance. We don't have enough to afford insurance for him, but I have a policy that would extend it to my next of kin. Why can't I marry him?

If your saying these relationships are okay between celibate same sex pairings, why is Marriage Taboo? Marriage is nothing more than a legal arrangement. If it's against a particular religion, we won't get married in that church, only by the state.

I'm still lost at the "Sexy is wrong and nasty". Seriously, does it make you uncomfortable? Are you afraid of something? I understand (though I don't agree with)believing nonreproductive sex or sex before marriage is wrong, but nothing about sex is wrong or nasty.  

[8Ares8]

Matt Pniewski

I'm confused as to the part where Marriage works into the situation. Also, referring to physical intimacy as "wrong and nasty" and not simply stating your belief that the Bible is against all non reproductive sex does imply that you have HR Giger style sexual phobias. Just saying.
Sorry it has taken a while for me to reply I had a family member die and I have been away for a while. However when I said that "sex is wrong and nasty" I meant homosexual sex specifically...


Let's say I cannot be fulfilled by a woman. Instead, I have a strong friendship with my friend Jeff. This friendship is as intense as any love between a man and a woman, except it's platonic. Now, we live together. We both work, but his job doesn't give him insurance. We don't have enough to afford insurance for him, but I have a policy that would extend it to my next of kin. Why can't I marry him?
That's the issue that I really wish could be resolved and agreed upon because while marriage throughout history as a commitment to another person has been at it's roots a decision to be be one with someone else and sticking to that relationship. However in legal terms as you brought up in your scenario I see no issue with "marriage" it's just a really sticky situation and many heterosexual couples fell like it diminishes the sanctity of THEIR marriage, not necessarily marriage as a whole. Kinda like how someone who has been seriously dating someone feels when they see a middle schooler say I love you to their "boyfriend or girlfriend". It's not necessarily grounded, but never the less it can hurt. I personally just want some kind of legal decision to be made so this issue can get resolved.

If your saying these relationships are okay between celibate same sex pairings, why is Marriage Taboo? Marriage is nothing more than a legal arrangement. If it's against a particular religion, we won't get married in that church, only by the state.
I understand look above... as far as religious "sanctity of marriage" the bible says in 2nd corinthians that homosexuals will not enter the temple of heaven and thus one could deduce that a homosexual relationship would not be smiled upon

I'm still lost at the "Sexy is wrong and nasty". Seriously, does it make you uncomfortable? Are you afraid of something? I understand (though I don't agree with)believing nonreproductive sex or sex before marriage is wrong, but nothing about sex is wrong or nasty.
Again I'm sorry for the confusion. Look at my first reply.

As a last note I have seen some actual terms that kinda describe what I mean... "Homo-romantic Asexuality" or in this case "Platonic Homo-romanticism"

 

[Matt Pniewski]

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I understand look above... as far as religious "sanctity of marriage" the bible says in 2nd corinthians that homosexuals will not enter the temple of heaven and thus one could deduce that a homosexual relationship would not be smiled upon

Again, we aren't talking about a Religious ceremony. We are talking about a legal one.

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That's the issue that I really wish could be resolved and agreed upon because while marriage throughout history as a commitment to another person has been at it's roots a decision to be be one with someone else and sticking to that relationship. However in legal terms as you brought up in your scenario I see no issue with "marriage" it's just a really sticky situation and many heterosexual couples fell like it diminishes the sanctity of THEIR marriage, not necessarily marriage as a whole. Kinda like how someone who has been seriously dating someone feels when they see a middle schooler say I love you to their "boyfriend or girlfriend". It's not necessarily grounded, but never the less it can hurt. I personally just want some kind of legal decision to be made so this issue can get resolved.

Why would it diminish somebody else's marriage? I don't understand where the step between somebody else getting married and your marriage becoming somehow less valid comes in. Fred and Bob do is up to them. I don't care if they get married.

Ultimately, the problem is your looking at a Legal issue in a religious context. Gay Marriage is not an issue of who God does or doesn't allow into heaven, but rather, about who gets what civil rights. We cannot use religion as a justification for the denial of an individual's right. Fred and Bob have the same rights as anyone else. That's what living in the "Land of the Free" means.  

[rmcdra]

Yeah when the you take the cobber verses in context, I'm not seeing homosexuality being condemned. Anyway, your post isn't making much sense.  

[freelance lover]

First, I find referring to homosexual sex to be "nasty" to be kind of immature. Just because it doesn't tickle your fancy, doesn't make it "nasty." Some people like BDSM. It's not my thing, but that doesn't make it wrong or nasty.

You could make the argument about MALE HOMOSEXUAL SEX being condemned, but that's only ever mentioned in the OT. In the OT verses, it most likely refers to temple sex, so sex that would be happening in the temple of another deity (which is obviously an issue). The Bible does not make any mention of male homosexual sex outside of these situations, and there is absolutely no reference on lesbian sex at all.

As for the legal aspect of marriage- there is absolutely no reason homosexual sex should be made illegal. There are hundreds of benefits extended to married couples that gay couples need. To deny them those basic rights is terrible, and frankly, unchristian. I don't care of the church choses to officiate gay weddings or not, but the government should recognize a partnership between two people regardless of their gender.

Also, I never understood how gay marriage diminished the sanctity of straight marriage. How does two people entering into a loving and committed relationship make yours any less important? It's stupid and egotistical to think your marriage is important enough to be affected by someone else's.  

[Matt Pniewski]

I agree that an argument can be made that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality (I, personally, agree), though honestly, when talking about a matter of civil rights, what the Bible says is completely irrelevant. Considering the law is there to protect the rights of individuals of various religious inclinations, as well as Atheists, agnostics, ect.

Think Gay Marriage is wrong? Try to convince people of that. By all means. Preach the word of God and try to convince them, but just know that there will be some opposition from Christians and NonChristians alike.

But to endorse laws regulating what homosexuals can and can't do is wrong.


And yeah, the term "Nasty" seems like an immature jab. It sounds less like "I think it's immoral" and more like "Gay sex EEEW!"  

[8Ares8]

Firstly I am saying that that many people feel that their relationships are diminished, personally I do not think that it matters. If someone loves someone else then that is a beautiful thing. People do what they want so even if it was an issue to me what would my anger, or hate do? Perpetuate hate or mearly my own stupidity.

Secondly if you read what I said at all I completely agree that homosexual couples should be aloud the legal rights that accompany any heterosexual couples. Marriage was a personal decision with a partner long before it was a religious institution.

Thirdly, I am sorry that it seems immature that I find homosexual sex gay and nasty, but as I said there is no biological incentive/basis for it. Then yes inserting ones "phallus" into the region of another's body where waste is dispensed is in fact quite nasty. ((ButtSmex if any one did not comprehend))

Fourthly the bible does not condemn homosexual marriage, gays or lesbians specifically. However, as seen in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
Quite literally showing that at least religiously; physical acts of homosexuality are considered sinful by the bible. If you do not believe it you are sinning yourself, or at least lying to yourself because the bible is God's word.

Lastly the entire topic is not necessarily on Homosexuality, morals, religion, rights or wrongs, Nor marriage as Matt Pniewski brought up and was not being discussed because as I said it is touchy and people always get into arguments, but what individuals opinions on homo-romanticism ((nonsexual same-sex relationships)). Because that is my major disappointment with society. Sex is considered love by so many, however it is a blessing that comes after love. Besides that opinion there have been scientific studies showing that abstinence in relationships for longer periods before marriage have proportionately lasted longer, with less relationship issues as well as less health issues.
I myself am saving myself for marriage. I don't understand why people care so much about sex one of my ex girlfriends broke up with me because I didn't want to do anything with her.  

[8Ares8]

And might I add that statistically speaking there are no concrete facts on how much better or worse Homosexual relations are to heterosexual relations. Because if you are looking at a site pro-homosexual whatsoever they downplay any findings and any conservative or religious organisations exaggerate greatly for instance a catholic church statistic stated that the average homosexual has from 70 to 120 sexual encounters a year with the majority do to drugs. Clearly this is not an average, it is something that may be true in specific cases, but it is obviously blown out of the water. On the other hand many pro-homosexual groups sometimes tend to shy away from health issues related to homosexuality when scientifically it is clear that there are negative health implications.

Just like any research there is no concrete stats on the actual acts only biological, legal and moral/religious ones.