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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:53 pm
maenad nuri
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Apparently I look androgynous enough today to have someone taking a survey on our campus ask me if I identify as male or female, while she didn't ask anyone else in our group (which included two trans people, one who has just started HRT). I'm not even wearing any kind of masculine clothing today. It's kind of exciting!

Also, just about to watch a "Wiccan documentary" in my class with a Neo-Gaianist professor. This should be interesting.

ETA: It's a documentary by the Farrars, good fun. I suppose better than some other things he could have shown, though we're on "THE BURNING TIMES!!!!!" right now. Any good, scholarly sources I can find on the internet on how eclectic neo-paganism isn't Wica? I don't have time to read books for this paper, but I'd like to counter some of the ideas of Wica my prof writes in his book.


Probably not, seeing as only a certain demographic within the larger BTW community holds this opinion. I mean, I could probably coax my Gardnerian High Priestess and her newly elevated High Priest partner to write about how eclectic neopagans can sometimes legitimately call themselves Wiccan (two-c's).

However, writing a paper about how eclectic neopaganism isn't once-c Wica is like writing a paper on how blue isn't red. It's just fact. There's no issue there.


Can we get bullet points at least on the first. Would love to see it. Cause I like that idea.


I mean, I am not sure if I can actually get them to write a paper on it, but I am familiar with the line of logic (but won't speak for them):
1. Societies create words
2. As societies change, so do the meanings of words as the new societies create new meanings for words.
3. As such, Wicca with two Cs no longer pertaining to only BTW "Wica"--the definition has changed to include so-called "solitaries" and whatnot.

I mean, this smells a bit of ad populum, but a lot of BTWs feel perfectly content just separating themselves from the watered-down masses by relabeling themselves. Others are a bit more...hostile...to the idea of relinquishing the original definition.

For comparison:

Gardnerian Third Degree and author Deborah Lipp definitely uses two-C Wicca to describe a variety of paths. In her book The Study of Witchcraft, Lipp explains that some BTWs don't consider non-BTWs as deserving of the title "Wicca." She disagrees with this stance and goes to explain what criteria earns the use of double-C Wicca. They are (and I will quote excerpts from each, but not the whole paragraphs):

1. Polarity. "Whatever they believe, however, they work with polarity--ritually and spiritually. However many deities a Wiccan may worship, there is always only one goddess and one god on the altar during ritual."

2. Immanence: "Not everyone will embrace every description, but a Wiccan will always have some creed that includes the idea that the gods/goddesses within us are our truest guides."

3. Nature: "They worship nature deities, almost always including Mother Earth in some form, and they recognize the sacredness of the physical, including the human body and sexuality."

4. Magic: "Not all Wiccans practice magic, but Wicca as a religion accepts that magic is real, something that people can do, and something that people are allowed or encouraged to do."

5. Circles and Quarters: "The ritual structure of Wicca can vary enormously, but a cast circle with four quarters, representing or corresponding to the four elements, is the fundamental format of Wiccan ritual."

(all from page 12).

Her book is definitely worth reading if you are interested in the Wicca definition debate. I effing love it.  
PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:59 pm
For good measure, more Deborah Lipp. Part one of the same book is called "The Evolution of Modern Wicca." In it, she says: "Let's review: In the 1960s, Gardnerian Wicca arrived in the United States and met up with the emerging counter-culture. In the 1970s, it encountered feminism and the ecology movement. In the 1980s, we changed and grew in response to the festival movement and the publishing boom" (page 9. Emphasis is mine).

"I use the word 'described' in the title of this chapter [Modern Wicca Described] because 'defined' would ruffle too many feathers. As discussed above, modern Wicca has gone through massive changes during each decade of its existence in the United States" (page 11).

"There are some people who say that Wicca is whatever you say it is--that, if your practice is eclectic, it defies definition. I disagree with that. Wicca is a specific religion, even though it is an extremely open-ended one" (page 11).

And then she says a bit more and then goes on to give definitive characteristics, which I listed earlier.  

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:37 am
Oh my, this isn't good.

So every year, the campus newspaper publishes "Misprint", a satire of the newspaper for April Fool's Day making fun of anything and anyone.

So one of the articles in Misprint this year was an article along the lines of "UW Football Athletes Take Steroid and Still Lose (we have very abysmal sports teams here xD). Misprint was sent to the printer's last Friday and came out today.

By pure coincidence, yesterday, in reality, the football team is now actually being tested for using steroids. Two of the jocks came in today and threatened everyone in the office, not understanding Misprint was satire and that it was sent over a week ago. Ugh, this is a bad situation.  
PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:46 am
True Colours of Destiny
Two of the jocks came in today and threatened everyone in the office, not understanding Misprint was satire and that it was sent over a week ago. Ugh, this is a bad situation.


You should tell them then, that if they don't want it to look like they're on steroids, they shouldn't charge into an office and act like they have roid rage over a yearly satire paper.  

Collowrath


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:26 am
Collowrath
You should tell them then, that if they don't want it to look like they're on steroids, they shouldn't charge into an office and act like they have roid rage over a yearly satire paper.
Seconded. Sheesh. It's kind of like game developers getting mad at the fake Lamepro that Gamepro put out every year when I was a kid.  
PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:09 pm
patch99329
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who made an 84 on a biology test she thought she would fail?

Ooo. Ooo, i did, i did *dances* blaugh

Congratulations!

thankyou muches ^^  

whiporwill-o


aoijea23487

PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:35 am
I have successfully moved!

A little depressed and stressed out from the ordeal though. The raining is not helping. Getting my ear re-pierced today and starting my FIRST EVER job at the Farmer's Market.  
PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:20 am
Avi has new haircut: one that matches my own.  

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LavenderMintRose

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:34 am
Uhhh.... hi!

I joined this guild a while ago and... kind of forgot about it. But today I was looking at the list of guilds I'm in and saw this one near the top, meaning it's not dead... and I think this guild could help me.

I'm not a Fluffy, I don't subscribe to any religion, but I think I probably should, because I get really depressed sometimes and I think having a religion would help me like... not do that as much.

So... yeah.

^_^  
PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 1:34 pm
After looking through the catalog of stuff my brother is supposed to buy (white liturgical robes and a Chalice) I shall never EVER b***h about the price of garb or pagan goodies ever again.

HOMG, seriously. The chalice that was $14k was pretty epic though.  

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:47 pm
maenad nuri
After looking through the catalog of stuff my brother is supposed to buy (white liturgical robes and a Chalice) I shall never EVER b***h about the price of garb or pagan goodies ever again.

HOMG, seriously. The chalice that was $14k was pretty epic though.

Trust me Nuri, it can get worse.

Considering most Hindu murtis (the statues) are supposed to be pure marble and they can range in size, you can bet they get expensive as hell.

The last time we went to India, we brought back two murtis, one of Ganesha, the other of Radha-Krishna. About a foot and half in height. Set us back $500 each. There are very devout people that go for entire pantheon, which includes lesser deities that not even the temples have. sweatdrop  
PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:39 pm
True Colours of Destiny
maenad nuri
After looking through the catalog of stuff my brother is supposed to buy (white liturgical robes and a Chalice) I shall never EVER b***h about the price of garb or pagan goodies ever again.

HOMG, seriously. The chalice that was $14k was pretty epic though.

Trust me Nuri, it can get worse.

Considering most Hindu murtis (the statues) are supposed to be pure marble and they can range in size, you can bet they get expensive as hell.

The last time we went to India, we brought back two murtis, one of Ganesha, the other of Radha-Krishna. About a foot and half in height. Set us back $500 each. There are very devout people that go for entire pantheon, which includes lesser deities that not even the temples have. sweatdrop


Damn, that's expensive. But I'd say worth it. I know I'd like actual statues and art, not just printed off pictures (even if they are really neat).  

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Collowrath

PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:50 pm
maenad nuri
Damn, that's expensive. But I'd say worth it. I know I'd like actual statues and art, not just printed off pictures (even if they are really neat).


For what it's worth, nuri, the Serbian Orthodox Church considers printed pictures of icons to be a full icon with the same standing as any other. I'm sure other Orthodox Churches are similar (I know the Slovak one is, as it's an extension of the Serbian Church). They provide some on their website that I use in place of synchronized native Gods.

Really, it's good to know the practice is institutionally supported.  
PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:00 pm
Collowrath
maenad nuri
Damn, that's expensive. But I'd say worth it. I know I'd like actual statues and art, not just printed off pictures (even if they are really neat).


For what it's worth, nuri, the Serbian Orthodox Church considers printed pictures of icons to be a full icon with the same standing as any other. I'm sure other Orthodox Churches are similar (I know the Slovak one is, as it's an extension of the Serbian Church). They provide some on their website that I use in place of synchronized native Gods.

Really, it's good to know the practice is institutionally supported.


Oh, I like my pictures, it's just I like the look of 3-d better. I want to stage it nicely on my altar.

I'm thinking of getting this one Amazon link in the nearish future  

maenad nuri
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Collowrath

PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:45 pm
maenad nuri
Oh, I like my pictures, it's just I like the look of 3-d better. I want to stage it nicely on my altar.

I'm thinking of getting this one Amazon link in the nearish future


He's beautiful! I hope you get him soon!  
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