Chat Thread: Chopsticks and teacups

[Wrath of Ezekiel]

TeaDidikai

Oh! I was meaning to ask you. Can you provide me some information on Havan Samagri?

I was given some of that and what I think is sacred river water to "dispose" of. Long, painfully stupid, story.

Honest to the Hindu gods, I have no clue what that is. Sorry. sweatdrop

Archives. I was this close to touching a Bible from 1531. This close. And apparently my school has an archival copy of Euclid's Elements of Geometry. I can't believe I completely forget that the main library has an extensive archive.  

[TeaDidikai]

True Colours of Destiny

TeaDidikai

Oh! I was meaning to ask you. Can you provide me some information on Havan Samagri?

I was given some of that and what I think is sacred river water to "dispose" of. Long, painfully stupid, story.

Honest to the Hindu gods, I have no clue what that is. Sorry. sweatdrop

Rats.

My limited research has unearthed that it has been used in cremation rites, and that it is sometimes mixed with clarified butter.

So this girl I work with has a friend who attends the local Catholic University.
Her friend apparently roomed with a gal who is a first generation American. Her folks moved here about thirty years ago.

Some family tragedy has caused the gal to leave the dorm within a week or so of moving in. When her roomie cleaned out her half of storage- things the girl couldn't take with her, she found a bunch of stuff, the Samagri amongst it.

Apparently there was a small alter and the like. Since the girl would speak Hindi in her sleep, her roomate decided she was possessed by Satan. stare

My coworker offered to get rid of the stuff, knowing she could give it to me.  

[Aino Ailill]

My parent is a wonder. E helped me find the minimum requirements that I need to keep my scholarship and to be able to pay my rent. Then e helped me to see exactly what I needed to accomplish to meet the minimum. Not that I am striving for the minimum, but I now see everything in perspective and I can stop worrying so much about losing my apartment or my ability to afford uni.

I have always been one that preferred the safety net. Why preform without one and risk the fall? I get, probably unreasonably, worried when acting without one. Knowing that, should worse come to worse, I can return home, find a job, and get back on my feet is so reassuring.

I feel so much better after having spoken with my Momma.

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I went to a PRIDE meeting today. Well, a movie night. The Sound of Music was playing. 'Twas wonderful. Everyone was really friendly, too. There were some off-comments, though, that leave me wondering if I want to stick with this group or not. I'll see.  

[TeaDidikai]

Mussels!  

[TeaDidikai]

Found out what Havan Samagri is used for.  

[Ainwyn]

TeaDidikai

Found out what Havan Samagri is used for.

What? I was prepared to ask my east Asian religion prof tomorrow, but I suck at remembering to do things like that.

Calixti: It sucks that your school can't do anything about it. That was incredibly disturbing and I'm glad I've never had to walk into class and see that on my desk. I'm all for appreciating the female form, but yuck!

I knew a girl at my old college who used to wear Axe. It was revolting and made me want to gag every time she walked by. I hated when I depended on rides from her after my car accident, because she always sprayed it all over herself in the car. I think she wanted to smell like her boyfriend all the time or something.  

[Recursive Paradox]

Calixti

Because in Nebraska, every girl has a boyfriend that she wants to smell like Axe. x_x

Obviously. Especially you! XD

Although to be fair to the scent itself, Error loves Axe Phoenix and I admit it has grown on me as a scent. I've learned not to hate it and to associate it with him, instead of associating it with how shitty my high school was (and my brother, who didn't shower and wore Axe to cover it. EWWWWW).

He does hate the commercials though.

TeaDidikai

That said- what about women who sign up to be treated like objects?

What do you mean by "sign up"?

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What about women who like being treated like objects?

The consent makes all the difference. 3nodding

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What about women who indulge objectifying willing participants in a sexual way?

The sentence is a little confusing, but the willing participants part is what says to me that this is a-okay.

For me, the operative problem with commercials for products like Axe is that they are very general objectifications, tossed into a culture in which the non consensual objectification of women is fairly normalized. If, for instance, the culture of America and Canada possessed more of a consent based model of sex as a widespread thing (instead of the "women's bodies are a commodity" model), a commercial like this would be just fine, because one would simply assume that the hypothetical girl in the commercial was consenting already.

But the assumption tends to go like this, "..."

As in, the idea of consent doesn't come up at all. The thought process is, "mmmmm hot, wanna wash her" in a lot of cases and then if someone brings up consent, it's an afterthought: "...oh ...yeah, she's totally consenting." That strikes me as a dangerous mindset overall. Because as I know myself (being one with an objectification fetish both applied to me and applied to others) one of the key ways to do objectification right (without hurting someone) is to keep consent as the base case. Safe words, careful checking of boundaries, making sure all involved know what's up and what to do if problems arise.

Same applies to my sadism (I, unfortunately, do not seem to be masochistic about anything other than spicy food and posting in the ED forum XD). Sadism in a good context has consent as a baseline. If sadism was extended into commercial form without a consent based model in place, you would have a bunch of commercials in which a girl is in a position to be hit and the same assumption related to consent of "...", which would be problematic.

What makes me sad is that there's no commercials for girl's scents that have a guy objectified. A few of my good guy friends like objectification and a few of my good girl friends like to dish it out. They get no love from the media. crying And I can guarantee you, if I end up spontaneously being bi or pan at some point, I will want to spank a guy I'm into. Hard (but only as hard as he wants it). XD  

[Recursive Paradox]

Ainwyn

I think she wanted to smell like her boyfriend all the time or something.

She could have just liked the scent.

It's also really good for covering up the scent of marijuana and tobacco. A few of my pot head friends would use axe to conceal the odor in case anyone problematic was around or if they were near people who would get up in their face about smoking. Yanno, as if it was someone else's business what they did to their own bodies. People are assholes...

But yeah, my problem with Axe (beyond how the commercials operate in a culture of non consensual objectification) is that I firmly associate it with not showering and using it to hide the scent of not showering.

*shudder*  

[rmcdra]

Recursive Paradox

Ainwyn

I think she wanted to smell like her boyfriend all the time or something.

She could have just liked the scent.

It's also really good for covering up the scent of marijuana and tobacco. A few of my pot head friends would use axe to conceal the odor in case anyone problematic was around or if they were near people who would get up in their face about smoking. Yanno, as if it was someone else's business what they did to their own bodies. People are assholes...

But yeah, my problem with Axe (beyond how the commercials operate in a culture of non consensual objectification) is that I firmly associate it with not showering and using it to hide the scent of not showering.

*shudder*

I know. My fiancee calls it "shower in a can".  

[Aino Ailill]

It boggles my mind how, when I buy for myself, I spend less than thirty dollars, consistently. However, when I buy with others, The range goes from 100 - 200 dollars. I'm the one who insists on going up and down every isle looking for something nommy while the people I go with are the 'in and out' sort.  

[patch99329]

You know, there are no words for how much I hate people eating loudly with their mouths open.
Its a massive pet hate.

My dad is making the most disgustingly loud noise as he eats his pizza. stare  

[Collowrath]

patch99329

You know, there are no words for how much I hate people eating loudly with their mouths open.
Its a massive pet hate.

My dad is making the most disgustingly loud noise as he eats his pizza. stare

Once, when I was little, I ate with my mouth open. My dad reached across the table and socked me. It's funny though, his manners aren't much better in that respect. *shrug*  

[Shearaha]

Recursive Paradox

Ainwyn

I think she wanted to smell like her boyfriend all the time or something.

She could have just liked the scent.

It's also really good for covering up the scent of marijuana and tobacco. A few of my pot head friends would use axe to conceal the odor in case anyone problematic was around or if they were near people who would get up in their face about smoking. Yanno, as if it was someone else's business what they did to their own bodies. People are assholes...

But yeah, my problem with Axe (beyond how the commercials operate in a culture of non consensual objectification) is that I firmly associate it with not showering and using it to hide the scent of not showering.

*shudder*

My husband uses AXE, I forget which one, but I love the smell. On him, my brother uses AXE too and it's just not him.  

[Calixti]

Recursive Paradox

Calixti

Because in Nebraska, every girl has a boyfriend that she wants to smell like Axe. x_x

Obviously. Especially you! XD

I'm secretly straight? eek

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For me, the operative problem with commercials for products like Axe is that they are very general objectifications, tossed into a culture in which the non consensual objectification of women is fairly normalized. If, for instance, the culture of America and Canada possessed more of a consent based model of sex as a widespread thing (instead of the "women's bodies are a commodity" model), a commercial like this would be just fine, because one would simply assume that the hypothetical girl in the commercial was consenting already.

But the assumption tends to go like this, "..."

As in, the idea of consent doesn't come up at all. The thought process is, "mmmmm hot, wanna wash her" in a lot of cases and then if someone brings up consent, it's an afterthought: "...oh ...yeah, she's totally consenting." That strikes me as a dangerous mindset overall. Because as I know myself (being one with an objectification fetish both applied to me and applied to others) one of the key ways to do objectification right (without hurting someone) is to keep consent as the base case. Safe words, careful checking of boundaries, making sure all involved know what's up and what to do if problems arise.

Same applies to my sadism (I, unfortunately, do not seem to be masochistic about anything other than spicy food and posting in the ED forum XD). Sadism in a good context has consent as a baseline. If sadism was extended into commercial form without a consent based model in place, you would have a bunch of commercials in which a girl is in a position to be hit and the same assumption related to consent of "...", which would be problematic.

Well said. The biggest issue with the Axe adverts is the complete lack of consent and the contributing to a general culture of objectification and misogyny. The advert in question could have been tongue-in-cheek and consent-based--say it were a video ad, and the woman were shown intentionally getting herself dirty, writing 'wash me' on herself, and waiting in the shower for her boyfriend with a cheeky smile on her face. That wouldn't immediately raise my hackles the way this one did; the woman, though objectified, would have been an active, consenting participant, rather than dehumanized and assumed to be an object by others.

I do believe sex can be used in adverts in a way that's mutually respectful and consent-based. But it's often not, and Axe is one of the worst offenders.  

[Ellisari]

I have the worst toothache ever. *cries*