Chat Thread: Chopsticks and teacups

[AniMajor]

Sophist

TheDisreputableDog

Sophist

Do you happen to know of any online resources selling blue beads that look like lapis lazuli? I've been waiting to make some prayer beads but the cost of the stone in total would be too high for my price range.

If you look for "howlite lapis," you'll get a normally white stone dyed to look like lapis lazuli, which looks pretty good but is much cheaper (frex). I've also used blue aventurine in combination with lapis lazuli and they blend well; however, I was using chips for both and I'd think you'd want smooth beads for a prayer piece and the two stones look more dissimilar when shaped round (aventurine is more "watery" looking).

Thanks for this. I've been looking around to see if there is a historically accurate guide to the Kemetic gods and their stone associations. So far I have carnelian for Sekhmet...aaand that's about it. I'm not even sure about that. The most I've seen mention of what was common in Egypt was in Mertzer's "Red Land Black Land," sans religious significance. I wonder if it's erroneous to think it will be simple. I should assume that whatever the Egyptians might've thought, it wouldn't be something like "this stone for this because blah." If anything there will be three different significances, two of them conflicting with each other, at least. xd

If it helps, one of Tutankhamun necklaces has Libyan Gold Tecktite, Blood of Isis, Lapis Lazuli, and Turquoise, and something called Starseed Quartz and Preseli Bluestone claims to be able to access the knowledge of Egypt, according to my crystal book.

Other than that, I can't find much about stones and Egypt.

Edit: Oh, emeralds and peridot are found in Egypt, as well as barite, pyrite, marcasite, halite, gypsum, quartz, fluorite, and celestite.  

[TeaDidikai]

AniMajor

and something called Starseed Quartz

They're talking about a mythohistory regarding the shape of the crystal and it's origin.

Take it as seriously as you would people talking to you about Atlantis.  

[AniMajor]

TeaDidikai

AniMajor

and something called Starseed Quartz

They're talking about a mythohistory regarding the shape of the crystal and it's origin.

Take it as seriously as you would people talking to you about Atlantis.

The description for Preseli Bluestone is even worse, but if someone gets something out of the stone, then I don't see what's wrong with using it like that.  

[CuAnnan]

I worked in a gemstore for years and I've never heard of either of these.
Anyone got links?  

[Bastemhet]

AniMajor

If it helps, one of Tutankhamun necklaces has Libyan Gold Tecktite, Blood of Isis, Lapis Lazuli, and Turquoise, and something called Starseed Quartz and Preseli Bluestone claims to be able to access the knowledge of Egypt, according to my crystal book.

Other than that, I can't find much about stones and Egypt.

Edit: Oh, emeralds and peridot are found in Egypt, as well as barite, pyrite, marcasite, halite, gypsum, quartz, fluorite, and celestite.

What crystal book is this? Does it cite sources from accepted/verified Egyptologists?  

[AniMajor]

CuAnnan

I worked in a gemstore for years and I've never heard of either of these.
Anyone got links?

I'm working out of The Crystal Bible 2 by Judy Hall, but here's a Google book entry for Starseed Quartz.

Starseed Quartz is quartz with little inclusions of drusy quartz through it, and Preseli Bluestone is apparently the stone used to make Stonehenge, and comes exclusively from one quarry in the Preseli Mountains in Wales.

Sophist

What crystal book is this? Does it cite sources from accepted/verified Egyptologists?

The necklace part I found in The Crystal Bible 2, and since all of those stones are found in Egypt or near it, it's probably accurate. The stones used in it are also part of other burial jewelry, which I found by looking through the Book of the Dead translated by Raymond O. Faulkner.

The rest of them I found looking at this site, which lists the native stones that they have available in their museum.

Obviously "available" doesn't mean "used", but it's better than nothing.  

[Bastemhet]

AniMajor

Sophist

What crystal book is this? Does it cite sources from accepted/verified Egyptologists?

The necklace part I found in The Crystal Bible 2, and since all of those stones are found in Egypt or near it, it's probably accurate. The stones used in it are also part of other burial jewelry, which I found by looking through the Book of the Dead translated by Raymond O. Faulkner.

The rest of them I found looking at this site, which lists the native stones that they have available in their museum.

Obviously "available" doesn't mean "used", but it's better than nothing.

Ah, thanks. I'm not a fan of generic "Crystal Bible" type books, but I did like that Geology Museum link. I'm trying to find magical/deity associations with the stones, which is why I was asking for Egyptological sources. I'll just have to keep looking.  

[AniMajor]

Sophist

Ah, thanks. I'm not a fan of generic "Crystal Bible" type books, but I did like that Geology Museum link. I'm trying to find magical/deity associations with the stones, which is why I was asking for Egyptological sources. I'll just have to keep looking.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of them, either, but the ones by Judy Hall have really good pictures, and so I use them a lot when collecting rocks.

I'm not sure if there were gods associated with the stones, but there's probably much more magical associations that the Egyptians had.

The only thing I can really find is an amulet representing a fold of cloth with blood on it made out of red jasper for that was representational of Isis.  

[Bastemhet]

AniMajor

I'm not sure if there were gods associated with the stones, but there's probably much more magical associations that the Egyptians had.

Most definitely! Once I get some money I'll try to look into more books on Egyptian magic besides the one copy I picked up by Budge. I barely got through the introduction without throwing the damn book across the room. There was much gnashing of teeth.

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The only thing I can really find is an amulet representing a fold of cloth with blood on it made out of red jasper for that was representational of Isis.

You mean this? I think it's also been interpreted as female reproductive organs. If that's not what you're thinking of, I can have a looksee at my "Offerings to Isis" book and see what matches that description. There were tonnns of different amulets in use in AE. I only wish I knew how to cut raw gems in the shapes of some of those amulets.  

[Alice Morbid]

I thought it might be interesting to hear pagans talk about this for some reason..
Okay, so a friend of mine was telling me all kinds of odd stories from someone she was with once. Apparently, a star follows him and he knows that aliens are real..
I don't usually consider things like that actually lol but.. I thought about my spirituality and wasn't 100% sure how aliens fit in. SO. Your view. Real or not? I didn't think this deserved it's own thread, so I put it here ^^  

[rmcdra]

Not pagan but I don't deny the possibility of aliens, I just haven't met or seen a sentient or non-sentient life-form that developed independently from the biological formula for the construction of life on our planet.

Though I think I remember hearing about fossils of microbial life in the early development of the planet Mars and that it might be likely that life exists on the moon Europa since there is water present.  

[Wrath of Ezekiel]

TeaDidikai

Take it as seriously as you would people talking to you about Atlantis.

But I believe Atlantis existed! gonk  

[TheDisreputableDog]

Sophist

Thanks for this. I've been looking around to see if there is a historically accurate guide to the Kemetic gods and their stone associations. So far I have carnelian for Sekhmet...aaand that's about it. I'm not even sure about that. The most I've seen mention of what was common in Egypt was in Mertzer's "Red Land Black Land," sans religious significance. I wonder if it's erroneous to think it will be simple. I should assume that whatever the Egyptians might've thought, it wouldn't be something like "this stone for this because blah." If anything there will be three different significances, two of them conflicting with each other, at least. xd

As far as ancient associations go, copper, lapis lazuli, gold, granite, and turquoise were important, or at least useful/available/appropriate, I think. I don't know if they had correspondences/associations quite the way modern pagans tend to. The only other thing I've got is a repository of mostly-SPG people in my group have compiled: Wepwawet Wiki. I know some of the information is historical and some of it is U/S/CPG but it's not well-labeled which is which, so use at your own risk if you only want verified info. However, I've had positive responses for some of the offerings and associations listed. Speaking of Sekhmet, I made a necklace for Her with garnet, carnelian, and red agate over the weekend; I haven't formally offered it yet so a smackdown may yet be in the offing if She doesn't like it, but I have a good feeling about it.

TeaDidikai

Randomness: I love Moss Agate.

I just made a necklace with moss agate and black agate for Wesir. I heart it.  

[TeaDidikai]

Succubus Sovereign

Apparently, a star follows him

I'm curious if people would consider this a haunting or not. ninja

As for aliens? I allow it's possible for aliens to exist.  

[rmcdra]

Just curious, is there any truth to comments about onyx being an mood inhibitor?