Chat Thread: Chopsticks and teacups

[Fiddlers Green]

Poe, it is good to learn, and far from causing problems, it seems to be enlightening people. 3nodding

I lived as a vegan for a month once to win a bet.
Seriously, very impressive, it's far harder than I thought it would be.
I also wasn't allowed processed grains, which I understand some vegans disdain. sweatdrop  

[Nines19]

I've come to the conclusion that I like using the term "cultural piracy" as opposed to "culture rape."
Effectively, they mean about the same thing. Culture rape might be a more specific term included within cultural piracy. If you'd like me to post a working definition (anyone), I can.

Just letting you guys know in case you should happen to see me use it and wonder.  

[TeaDidikai]

Nines19

Effectively, they mean about the same thing.

Why?

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Culture rape might be a more specific term included within cultural piracy.

Culture Rape is already a more specific term included in Cultural Appropriation, a documented practice within some fields of Sociology.

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If you'd like me to post a working definition (anyone), I can.

Yes please.

You have to keep in mind that Culture Rape is a very specific thing. It is the application of racism to Cultural Appropriation that debases the original culture. All Culture Rape is Cultural Appropriation. Not all Cultural Appropriation is Culture Rape.  

[Wrath of Ezekiel]

I prefer cultural misappropriation. It comes off softer than someone screaming "STOP CULTURE RAPING MY CULTURE/RELIGION!" Also, rape by our society has a more sexual tone so people may be easily confused.


Ugh.... I have no job so I've pretty much said I'd take anything. Including this summer camp at the temple we attend. Even though I would hate to work there again, because I find the camp administrator to be a very bad teacher. And so she phones, saying the head priest has approved her hiring another teacher and so phones me straight up. Ugh, I really don't want to, but it's the only job there.  

[TeaDidikai]

True Colours of Destiny

I prefer cultural misappropriation. It comes off softer than someone screaming "STOP CULTURE RAPING MY CULTURE/RELIGION!"

I got tired of using passive speech in order to soothe people's egos. It's one thing when it's an honest mistake, ignorance or the like. It's another when it continues with all the bells and whistles of entitlement and racism. I mean, if you acknowledge that you aren't Rroma, and you acknowledge that G~ is a racial slur, and you acknowledge that you're horribly misinformed and relying on your privilege- and you continue to do so because there is nothing others can do about it... that evokes a very similar feeling of helplessness and violation in my personal experience.  

[Wrath of Ezekiel]

TeaDidikai

True Colours of Destiny

I prefer cultural misappropriation. It comes off softer than someone screaming "STOP CULTURE RAPING MY CULTURE/RELIGION!"

I got tired of using passive speech in order to soothe people's egos. It's one thing when it's an honest mistake, ignorance or the like. It's another when it continues with all the bells and whistles of entitlement and racism. I mean, if you acknowledge that you aren't Rroma, and you acknowledge that G~ is a racial slur, and you acknowledge that you're horribly misinformed and relying on your privilege- and you continue to do so because there is nothing others can do about it... that evokes a very similar feeling of helplessness and violation in my personal experience.

Oh no, if it's someone new, I'll take the passive approach. If it's someone that ignores it all, then I'll come out guns blazing.

That's how I approach a debate or discussion that's new. If it's past five pages and the OP or another is still whining, culture rape is coming out.  

[Nines19]

TeaDidikai

Nines19

Effectively, they mean about the same thing.

Why?

Mostly, because I said so? Heh.

TeaDidikai

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Culture rape might be a more specific term included within cultural piracy.

Culture Rape is already a more specific term included in Cultural Appropriation, a documented practice within some fields of Sociology.

Ah. Probably Cultural piracy is the equivalent of Cultural Appropriation. (Or more specifically, misappropriation?)

TeaDidikai

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If you'd like me to post a working definition (anyone), I can.

Yes please.

"The theft of cultural elements into one's personal system without that culture's (implicit or explicit) permission, often without regards to the context in which the elements originally lie."
"Implicit permission" would be something like a culture being open and/or not having a problem with certain elements being taken out of context.
"Explicit permission" would be a closed culture saying, "Okay, you can do that."

TeaDidikai

You have to keep in mind that Culture Rape is a very specific thing. It is the application of racism to Cultural Appropriation that debases the original culture. All Culture Rape is Cultural Appropriation. Not all Cultural Appropriation is Culture Rape.

Okay. Like I said, "cultural piracy" is probably the equivalent of Cultual (mis)Appropriation.

(This is why I - sometimes, unless I don't want to think too much - enjoy posting random things I make up in this guild; I'm forced to question and refine them. Which makes the idea "stronger", if it doesn't flop.)  

[Collowrath]

I try to use stern but kind language. Usually I don't post at all though, because by the time I've gotten around to wording a reply in an effective way, Tea, CuAnnan, Nuri, or any number of other quicker witted people have effectively handled the situation and have usually said what I wanted to say.

There are a number of people in the M&R subforum that I simply refuse to respond to on the basis that I have nothing nice to say to them and no way to say it that isn't horribly vicious.  

[TeaDidikai]

Nines19

Mostly, because I said so? Heh.

Ah. Well then. wink

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Ah. Probably Cultural piracy is the equivalent of Cultural Appropriation. (Or more specifically, misappropriation?)

Cultural appropriation is a neutral term.

We engaged in Cultural Appropriation when we joined an Anime based forum. The fact that this is a form of expression that has stemmed from one group and goes beyond what the culture had initially created is just fine. It isn't as though the Japanese have a taboo against Westerners watching their cartoons.

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"The theft of cultural elements into one's personal system without that culture's (implicit or explicit) permission, often without regards to the context in which the elements originally lie."
"Implicit permission" would be something like a culture being open and/or not having a problem with certain elements being taken out of context.
"Explicit permission" would be a closed culture saying, "Okay, you can do that."
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Okay. Like I said, "cultural piracy" is probably the equivalent of Cultual (mis)Appropriation.

Not quite. See, Cultural Piracy is more in tune with Culture Rape, but is designed to make people feel less offended, not unlike Cultural Misappropriation.

My problem is that neither of these convey the sense of violence, violation and helplessness that the cultures experience.


Cultural Appropriation is a term used to identify a certain kind of action.
Cultural Misappropriation and Cultural Piracy are terms used to identify the fact that the people doing the appropriating are doing it wrong.
Culture Rape is about the culture that is being victimized.

It's important that we break out of this thought pattern where we examine things from the perspective of the dominate culture and start relating to the culture that is being afflicted.

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(This is why I - sometimes, unless I don't want to think too much - enjoy posting random things I make up in this guild; I'm forced to question and refine them. Which makes the idea "stronger", if it doesn't flop.)

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[Wrath of Ezekiel]

TeaDidikai

It's important that we break out of this thought pattern where we examine things from the perspective of the dominate culture and start relating to the culture that is being afflicted.

Cultural relativism versus ethnocentrism?  

[TeaDidikai]

True Colours of Destiny

Cultural relativism versus ethnocentrism?

Bingo.  

[TeaDidikai]

Man... my cooking ******** ROCKS! heart  

[Recursive Paradox]

That girl who decided I'm a witch is basing this on the fact that she wants to use the word witchcraft to refer to all forms of magic practice and traditions.

You know, forgetting that the word is already applied to a smaller collection of traditions.

>.<

I went into nuker mode and that's not very common with me. But she's rubbing me the wrong way with condescension.

Fiddlers Green

Poe, it is good to learn, and far from causing problems, it seems to be enlightening people. 3nodding

So I cause problems that are helpful? I'm so paradoxical. XD  

[Calixti]

I would recommend never getting your finger sliced open by flying glass due to a dropped bottle of highly-carbonated soda. It hurts, bleeds for a couple hours, and bruises. crying  

[maenad nuri]

I'm battling the urge to cut my hair short again. Davit, my best beloved requested I grow it out another inch or two, and then I can cut it when I'm sick of that.

He also wants it to be my natural color. ******** that. That's boring. If I'm to have a conventional cut, I'm at least going to have fun with my limited color palette.

This has been a test of the "nuri gives a damn about her looks" this is only a test. Next thing you know, I'll discover how to put on eyeliner.