Chat Thread: Chopsticks and teacups

[TeaDidikai]

saint dreya

evil separate=/=equal evil

A good mantra for an era wherein state funds were diverted to white schools while black schools received but hand-me-downs.

But in a case like this, it really is separate but equal. Instead of having marriage on my license, I could just as easily not have and still garner the rights that are important on a state level.

Considering I never wanted marriage on my license, and that same sex couples can still receive it on their decorative license, I'd be far happier if the State dissolved the Marriage License and kept the Civil Union License.  

[Recursive Paradox]

I'm still sort of bitter about the whole marriage thing in general. Poly people continue to get screwed.

Interesting point on American law. It often depends on the wording. The reason why the word marriage is significant is because there are over 1,500 laws in the federal government that only reference the word marriage. Civil union is not included in those laws and the text of those laws is what is used to determine what benefits are given where.

So if you make a law that says, "civil unions herein are granted the same rights that marriages are" that doesn't mean that the executive branch of a local or even an upper government level will apply those laws in that way, simply because that law isn't mentioned in the text of all those other laws. Which means fun legal ******** that while they will likely end in a win for you in the courts still don't change the fact that you were blocked entry in the hospital to see your injured partner. Because the text of the law the police officer and hospital staff is taught about in their training mentions marriage. Not civil union and not statute 657741: "civil unions herein are granted the same rights that marriages are"

I have my doubts that the Washington legislature actually went through and changed all of their marriage laws to include the words civil union and they certainly can't change the federal ones to include it.

Sort of a pickle really.  

[saint dreya]

TeaDidikai

Considering I never wanted marriage on my license, and that same sex couples can still receive it on their decorative license, I'd be far happier if the State dissolved the Marriage License and kept the Civil Union License.

far too many arguments involving religious views with the former. perhaps the latter is a better idea to adopt overall.  

[Recursive Paradox]

saint dreya

TeaDidikai

Considering I never wanted marriage on my license, and that same sex couples can still receive it on their decorative license, I'd be far happier if the State dissolved the Marriage License and kept the Civil Union License.

far too many arguments involving religious views with the former. perhaps the latter is a better idea to adopt overall.

We'd have to change all those laws to "civil union" for it to be functional and not to have giant legal slapfights all over America out of it.

Logistics aside though, I am entirely all for it. *nodnod* Marriage is an asinine tradition and really does entangle a lot of really stupid social undercurrents with what should be a simple legal contract between romantic partners.  

[TeaDidikai]

Recursive Paradox

Marriage is an asinine tradition

That's a rather bigoted point of view. And why are you addressing the sum total of the history of marriage as asinine?

Granted, I want my legal doctuments to say Civil Union, but that doesn't mean I don't want to be married to my husband. stare  

[patch99329]

Ah, what a weekend! Sooo little sleep. >.<

On friday, I epic failed my maths exam, but did ok in my classics lit! It was on everything I hoped it would be, the big question was about book 16 heart  

[Gho the Girl]

Made a Cyber Nation.

Tyrmvahla, a nation of French Sikhs under a Revolutionary government dedicated to Justice and protecting the meek.

Anybody here have one? ninja  

[Recursive Paradox]

TeaDidikai

Recursive Paradox

Marriage is an asinine tradition

That's a rather bigoted point of view.

Perhaps. But I suppose the exclusion and delegitimization of poly individuals and our involvements within the tradition of marriage (a rather bigoted arrangement in and of itself, no?) has me a bit bitter with the whole affair.

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Actually, I would like your reasoning explained to me as to how that is a bigoted point of view. Because I admit I'm a bit confused as to how you came to that conclusion. To be entirely clear (in case of misunderstanding) I'm criticizing the tradition and its harmful effects on a certain disenfranchised group of people. I am not calling married individuals or the culture that made the current incarnation of marriage what it is asinine.

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And why are you addressing the sum total of the history of marriage as asinine?

I never said the sum total. Why do you have the impression that I meant the sum total? The current incarnation is where my issue arises.

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Granted, I want my legal doctuments to say Civil Union, but that doesn't mean I don't want to be married to my husband. stare

I never said you didn't want to. confused  

[Recursive Paradox]

Gho the Girl

Cyber Nation.

I could never really get into it. I think it's more of a time issue, yanno? Too many things on my plate.  

[maenad nuri]

...omg. Seriously. I now get notices when someone wants to join the guild. OMG. I don't have to obsessively check anymore. I'M FREE!

Also, I think one of the instructors at my dance studio is going to be on So You Think You Can Dance will be on the next show. He was in the Top 40 last year, and there's been video cameras about. Ironically, I'll miss most of it because I'll be at class.

I don't think he made it though ...he has classes all summer long going on and is even starting a new one.  

[Recursive Paradox]

Auuuugh! I just saw and talked to this guy that I apparently know for an hour in the supermarket! I say apparently know because I couldn't remember his name or where we knew each other from for the life of me.

All I knew was that he was epic familiar looking, knew who I was, that I was trans and knew me from before that but had been assessed of my situation now.

I got his contact info (and relearned his name from that) but it's driving me nuts that I can't remember where I know him from. I mean, we were apparently close enough for hugs. Stupid ADD addled memory. crying  

[Recursive Paradox]

AHA! I found him. He took a massage class with me before I transitioned. I remember admitting to him at one point that I was pursuing a sex change.  

[Calixti]

Someone please tell me that it's completely and utterly ridiculous for me to have a schoolgirl crush on a woman more than ten years my senior. Telling myself isn't helping, and no one else agrees with me. gonk  

[maenad nuri]

Calixti

Someone please tell me that it's completely and utterly ridiculous for me to have a schoolgirl crush on a woman more than ten years my senior. Telling myself isn't helping, and no one else agrees with me. gonk

That's because it isn't. Sorry.  

[Wrath of Ezekiel]

maenad nuri

Also, I think one of the instructors at my dance studio is going to be on So You Think You Can Dance will be on the next show. He was in the Top 40 last year, and there's been video cameras about. Ironically, I'll miss most of it because I'll be at class.

I don't think he made it though ...he has classes all summer long going on and is even starting a new one.

I have a friend who just made it through the first round of So You Think You Can Dance Canada. Except I don't think that disclosing to your friends the fact you have on FB is appropriate when you're a mild cosplay celebrity and thus have 2100 friends on Facebook as a result. rofl