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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:49 pm
maenad nuri
So I got off work early because I was feeling sick. Which is good, because I started throwing up before I even got to the parking garage.

It was a very long night.

*eats crackers, sprite, and water*

Oh no sad
Feel better Nuri <3  
PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:40 pm
I hate it when that happens Nuri. neutral

Deo, my Amesha request a source of fire be kept when you go to sleep, or when you are awake in the dark. It could be a match or the like, but it is sorta important for them to help ya.

So, right, one of my World Religions instructors said that Zoroastrians worshipped the God of Abraham and that, like Christianity, it was a direct descendant of Judaism. this is why the Islamic conquest of Persia was so Peaceful and Compassionate. scream
Third class I have been expelled from for calling the teacher a liar or a fool and demanding better service for the ridiculous rates I was paying for his "services".  

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:57 pm
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So, right, one of my World Religions instructors said that Zoroastrians worshipped the God of Abraham and that, like Christianity, it was a direct descendant of Judaism. this is why the Islamic conquest of Persia was so Peaceful and Compassionate. scream
Third class I have been expelled from for calling the teacher a liar or a fool and demanding better service for the ridiculous rates I was paying for his "services".


scream That's truly sad. I've only started a World Civ. 1 class and I could tell you all that was wrong, wrong, WRONG. I would have been every bit as angry for paying someone to teach me such utter shite. I don't suppose you can get a refund for the class?  
PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:26 pm
How does nuri spend a day goofing off cause she's sick? By talking with her mom, planning new garb, and reading Racism/Privilege 101 blogs.

I've been feeling like I'm just not getting it recently -- talking the talk, not so much walking it.  

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:29 pm
My history book is terrible. If I have to read one more word about FEARLESS explorers who ventured west into DANGEROUS AND HOSTILE INDIAN TERRITORY and the COMPASSION of the US government in their attempts to turn those SAVAGE INDIANS into good honest farmers, I think I'm going to gouge my eyes out. Or laugh hysterically remembering the professor on the first day, when he told us how the US is the GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD because we examine our own history objectively and we should all love history because when we study it we PROVE HITLER WRONG!* gonk

*Actual summary of his lecture on the first day of class, not exaggerating. He opened with the quote, "No one will ever ask the victor if he told the truth," spent forty minutes telling us how honest and objective the study of American history is, then told us we should enjoy this class if only because when we do, we prove Hitler wrong.  
PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:34 pm
wow that's really, really horrible.  

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:55 pm
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My history book is terrible. If I have to read one more word about FEARLESS explorers who ventured west into DANGEROUS AND HOSTILE INDIAN TERRITORY and the COMPASSION of the US government in their attempts to turn those SAVAGE INDIANS into good honest farmers

I wonder if they used potato eating Irishmen as their front line.

The Indubitable Katie-Kat
the US is the GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD because we examine our own history objectively

Yeah, coz we Irish study it subjectively.
So do the English, French, Germans, Spanish, Italians, etc.  
PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:35 pm
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The Indubitable Katie-Kat
My history book is terrible. If I have to read one more word about FEARLESS explorers who ventured west into DANGEROUS AND HOSTILE INDIAN TERRITORY and the COMPASSION of the US government in their attempts to turn those SAVAGE INDIANS into good honest farmers

I wonder if they used potato eating Irishmen as their front line.
The textbook only mentions Chinese and Mexican immigrants, actually. Like I said, terrible book.
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the US is the GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD because we examine our own history objectively

Yeah, coz we Irish study it subjectively.
So do the English, French, Germans, Spanish, Italians, etc.
Hell, I'm willing to bet that other countries study their history MORE objectively than a lot of mainstream American historians. Every history class I've ever taken--including college-level now--has been obsessed with teaching students what a BDH America is and how oppression in this country is a thing of the past and we're so progressive and have more rights than anywhere else in the world, which anyone with a lick of sense knows is a bunch of bullshit. Sigh.  

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:47 pm
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The Good: Studying the Iliad is so amazingly awesome I cannot tell you.


Indeed, we jst finished book 16. w00t.

My classics teacher has become set in his ways I think, he frequently gets little things wrong. Upon commenting on a sacrifice he started saying how the ancient greeks always gave the gods the choice cuts of meat.
OMG, This is explained in ******** BOOK ONE, where Chryses talks about giving Apollo the thigh pieces, and then, later on, in the feast, it's explained how it's done. You cut all the meat off the bone, wrap it in fat, and burn it. This isn't little. This is big. Why?

GODS DO NOT EAT MEAT (in the Iliad, and it's an important point therein. They may not eat meat anywhere else either, even when they're in disguise, but I can't say that for sure.) The eating of cooked meat distinguishes you as human. In fact, if you read the Iliad, the humans never eat anything that isn't cooked in some manner (meat, bread, cheese). The eating of raw meat distinguishes you as monster/animal. The Gods are above all of this and only enjoy the Savour of the sacrifices, beyond their own immortal food.

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He reccomends Graves as a credible source
PFFFFFFFFFFFT rolleyes

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and dosen't get the idea of Cthonic gods.
What is there not to get?


...he's a truly lovely man. But as you can see, we do get into the odd argument.
As for the meat thing, I thought the myth of prometheus explained why the gods got the inedibles...
He's very epic-poem centric in his studies; I don't think he backs it up with any background info of the culture, rather sees it all as a big poem to be interpreted however one wants.
This right here tells me he's not all that epic poem centric, because what he's not doing is EXACTLY what a Homerist should be doing. Epic poem is very well defined structurally, especially Homeric epic. What exactly are you supposed to interpret an aristeia as other than an aristeia (of course, all aristeia in the Iliad are basically Achilleus doublets, but I digress)?
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When the sides take the oath, he thought one of the sheep was black because it symbolized that achilles would die.
He sounds like an Oxford Homerist.

That is unfortunately not a compliment.

Kat and Cu: My history classes were... surprisingly objective then. When got to the sixties it would be like "And here is how we ******** the Natives up the a** and why we're giving them free tuition and letting them fish all they want."  
PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:23 pm
Wow....you got up to the 60's?

I don't think any of my history classes through high school got past WW2, except maybe a cursory mention of the civil rights movement in February (totally ignoring MLK's later call for justice for the poor and anti-war movement)  

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:45 pm
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Deo, my Amesha request a source of fire be kept when you go to sleep, or when you are awake in the dark. It could be a match or the like, but it is sorta important for them to help ya.

I have candles nearby; is that good enough?  
PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:02 am
The only honest history teacher I have had was my American Government teacher.
He told us we would face two types of history teachers in most places, liars and fools.
Liars know the truth, but need a job.
Fools are ignorant, and therefore honest, except that they aren't qualified for their jobs.
Neither have any love for the truth, for the ignorant fear it, as it makes them seem the fools they are, and the liar will stand exposed.
The fact that any modern mob rule system is based on equal parts lies and ignorance makes the situation unlikely to change.

Candles are good Deo, so long as there is light in the darkness. 3nodding  

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:59 am
There is lots and lots of snow...I have a day off!
The blackbirds are up to their bellies in it and have to jump to move. xD It's cute and funny to watch.

I've been thinking about the word Gypsy in general use. Now, It's obvious that most use it innocently, honestly having no idea that it is a slur...but I'm sure that many don't even know it is used to describe an ethnic group eek .
The other day my friend was complaining that gypsies were at her place of work, so I explained the term and she says '...no, I just mean people in trashy clothes'.
And another friend was telling me the story of his uncle, he refused to answer to door to a man with a tatty car because he thought he was a 'gypsy' (in this case...a bad builder who knocks on doors). confused  
PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:50 am
patch99329
misconceptions of the G word
i had a friend at work who willingly took that word off of one of his profiles, because he had remembered a conversation we had had and thought i might have been offended that he had it up there.

i felt like it was a victory, smile  

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:25 am
Self-styled "druids" are invading my circle. There used to only be one, and now there are TWO because the first one converted the second! From some type of self-styled Wicca. I think they are both ADF. But I don't know a lot about the ADF so I don't know whether the only problem with Celt-y ADF is the use of "druid" or if I will be shooting at a tree to object to the use of "druid" when there is a whole grove of other issues as well.

They're talking about holding an "ADF druid ritual." This is actually the same pair that did the Lughnasadh ritual last summer with the sacrificing. And they are saying that anyone with negative feelings about it can just not show up because it would give some kind of bad spirit opportunity to play havoc.

I don't know how to say "you're doing it wrong" without just ******** it up even more, or even if that's the right thing to say in this situation.

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