Chat Thread: Chopsticks and teacups

[Tagra Nar]

TeaDidikai

So, for the sake of irony, zOMG switched the ethnic slur of one group for the ethnic slur of another group.

Nicu is no longer a G~, he's now a T~- an ethnic slur for the Pavee. gonk

Wait, what? Where?  

[patch99329]

What new ethnic slur is this?
I'm afraid 'T~' Dosen't inform me of all that much. xd

*edit*
I found the site.
Are the Pavee Irish?

I ask because the term is used pretty widely in this area. But not to describe a particular travelling culture. From my understanding of how it is used round here, it is used for any travelling group regardless of ethnicity or culture, if they move onto private land, leave rubbish and s**t everywhere or something similar.
There was a group a while back that got loads of horses taken from them by the RSPCA because they treated them like s**t and raced them for bets.

I've heard it in other places being applied specifically to Irish, but here they'd just be 'Irish travellers' *shrug*.  

[patch99329]

Celeblin Galadeneryn

The Greek terms help to denote age, but saying Zeus is a man smacks of hubris to me.

I think it depends.
I think that the gods are 3D beings capable of reason. I reckon that if I said that zeus was a man in passing and honestly just used it as a figure of speech and meant nothing by it, the gods would know this and not take offense.  

[CuAnnan]

patch99329

What new ethnic slur is this?
I'm afraid 'T~' Dosen't inform me of all that much. xd

"Tinkers" I would imagine.
The Irish travellers will often refer to themselves as tinkers when, and only when, they are workers of tin. To refer to all of them as tinkers is sorta like referring to all plantees (those who aren't travellers {be they pavee or no}) as computer programmers. It's racist.

patch99329

Are the Pavee Irish?

Some of them.
Some of them are English.
The are not of the Gael, they themselves hold better understanding of where they came from but they don't tend to talk about it with plantees.
Their language is a combination of a cant dialect of goedelic and saxon, I believe.

patch99329

I ask because the term is used pretty widely in this area. But not to describe a particular travelling culture. From my understanding of how it is used round here, it is used for any travelling group regardless of ethnicity or culture, if they move onto private land, leave rubbish and s**t everywhere or something similar.

The Pavees can be quite considerate.
If they can't get a holding site (that is a specific plot of land with ameneties) they will often rent land or work on farm land for right to hold in fallow land. The land is left, in these cases, in as good a condition as it was found.
In my memory, we have had two seperate groups of Pavees where I was growing up. The first came back because their reception was so positive. Alas, in between the Pavees the first and second time, some English new age travellers came and destroyed a farmer's field and assaulted him and his wife.

patch99329

There was a group a while back that got loads of horses taken from them by the RSPCA because they treated them like s**t and raced them for bets.

From what I understand of Pavee culture, that's actually forbidden.
They're allowed to bet, but mistreating a horse is not only damaging your wealth, it's damaging the wealth of your children.  

[sol_oriens]

Celeblin Galadeneryn

sigh I had a post, but gaia ate it.

Basically, my prof doesn't like the terms 'man and 'woman' given that she's had students over humanise the Gods, and after a greek myth class which was opened to an option to philosophy students that proceded to do just that, I can understand.

*waves fist angrily at gaia) Stupid post eater.

Gotcha -- sometimes I relate to the gods in human terms, because well -- I'm human. This is how I know to relate, even though I know they are far different from we humans.  

[PoeticVengeance]

error[dot]exe

PoeticVengeance

If I anthropomorphize (sp?) an Aspect, just because it makes channeling its energies easier, not because I believe that it has human qualities for reals, does that make me polytheistic? O_o

No more than a Chaote is for creating servitors, I imagine.

Now I need to look up a Chaote...

TeaDidikai

So, for the sake of irony, zOMG switched the ethnic slur of one group for the ethnic slur of another group.

Nicu is no longer a G~, he's now a T~- an ethnic slur for the Pavee. gonk

What's a T~? *Googles*

I could only find a racial slur that started with K for the Pavee. o_O  

[PoeticVengeance]

sol_oriens

Celeblin Galadeneryn

sigh I had a post, but gaia ate it.

Basically, my prof doesn't like the terms 'man and 'woman' given that she's had students over humanise the Gods, and after a greek myth class which was opened to an option to philosophy students that proceded to do just that, I can understand.

*waves fist angrily at gaia) Stupid post eater.

Gotcha -- sometimes I relate to the gods in human terms, because well -- I'm human. This is how I know to relate, even though I know they are far different from we humans.

I know that the Aspects, which can be loosely compared to deities in my path, are not human in any way unless they're a specific Aspect of a specific human trait. And then it's just that trait.

I do admit to applying a certain level of anthropomorphization to them to comprehend them better. But I remain aware that it's nothing more than a tool to understand not actual knowledge regarding that Aspect.  

[Maze]

PoeticVengeance

What's a T~? *Googles*

I could only find a racial slur that started with K for the Pavee. o_O

Poetic: "Tinkers." I haven't found the one with the K, though. o: Which one's that?  

[TeaDidikai]

PoeticVengeance

What's a T~? *Googles*

I could only find a racial slur that started with K for the Pavee. o_O

Tinker. CuAnnan did a bit about it above.  

[PoeticVengeance]

Maze

PoeticVengeance

What's a T~? *Googles*

I could only find a racial slur that started with K for the Pavee. o_O

Poetic: "Tinkers." I haven't found the one with the K, though. o: Which one's that?

Ah. The one with the K is "Knacker." I guess apparently the word "Pikey" is also a racial slur for various Irish groups and the word "Chav" originally included them and the Rroma.

TeaDidikai

CuAnnan did a bit about it above.

Ah dang I missed him writing that.  

[TeaDidikai]

PoeticVengeance

Ah. The one with the K is "Knacker." I guess apparently the word "Pikey" is also a racial slur for various Irish groups and the word "Chav" originally included them and the Rroma.

Chav is a Rroma loan word- it means Rroma Boy, and the term Pikey is used in some dialects to denote a person who has committed such a horrible offense and was found guilty in a Kris that they are dead to the Rroma.  

[Maze]

TeaDidikai

PoeticVengeance

Ah. The one with the K is "Knacker." I guess apparently the word "Pikey" is also a racial slur for various Irish groups and the word "Chav" originally included them and the Rroma.

Chav is a Rroma loan word- it means Rroma Boy, and the term Pikey is used in some dialects to denote a person who has committed such a horrible offense and was found guilty in a Kris that they are dead to the Rroma.

*absorbs knowledge* Yay, words!

I wonder if I can get my English friends to stop using the word 'chav' on those.. people with.. the.. weird outfits. Seems kinda silly when you know what it means.  

[Sir William Black]

TeaDidikai

So, for the sake of irony, zOMG switched the ethnic slur of one group for the ethnic slur of another group.

Nicu is no longer a G~, he's now a T~- an ethnic slur for the Pavee. gonk

Tea, I think you're being a bit too PC here.

I could get behind you on the "Gypsy is a slur" thing, but you're kind of reaching with this one. I've seen Tinker used a bunch as a word to describe someone whom tinkers, like this Nico character presumably does.

I'm not saying that there aren't usages of the word that aren't nice, but I am saying that those aren't common knowledge.