Chat Thread: Chopsticks and teacups

[MoonJeli]

patch99329

MoonJeli

Maybe there needs to be specific names for male and female gods. xd

Liiiike, god and goddess you mean? xd

I've always felt cheated by that. sad Same with "lion" and "lioness", and even "dog". Why can't they be called nifty things like "hob" and "jill" or "boomer" and "flyer"? I mean, now that's cool and unique.  

[Sir William Black]

MoonJeli

This conversation makes me think of silly things.

Animals all have their own group names and designations for male and female. Like a human male is a "man", and a human female is a "woman". A male fox is a "tod" and a female fox is a "vixen". Boy dogs are "dogs" and girl dogs are "bitches", and a male donkey is a "jack" and a female is a "jenny".

Maybe there needs to be specific names for male and female gods. xd

Deity and Deitrix.

...I like the -trix word ending. ninja  

[TeaDidikai]

Teague the Druid

I don't see any evidence for a rule against referring to gods in "human" terms.

Wouldn't that depend on the deities? When it comes to the Hellenic gods- wouldn't the prohibition against hubris in the Maxims apply?  

[Tagra Nar]

Teague the Druid

Obviously, you realize I didn't mean to imply that humans were worshipped like gods. I should have specified.

I didn't think you did, my point was to show how they are treated very differently.

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I don't see any evidence for a rule against referring to gods in "human" terms. Apollo was called a Kourros, a unbearded youth, which refers to his gender, his age, and is no less restrained to the domain of humanity than "man" or "woman" or "boy" or "girl" are- but it was an essential part of his image or depiction.

You're taking labels that do work with gods and humans (youth, bearded) and equating them with ones that do not (man, woman, boy, girl). And are continuously repeating that, despite those labels being distinctly human.

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In any case, I should know better than to argue about the exact meaning of a word. In some languages, being a woman is the same as being a wife or "potential wife". In others, it's simply a word for human or person- paired with some indicator of gender. Then again, "person" and "being" or "sentient being" seem to become synonymous sometimes. When this started, I was also thinking in regards to the use of "man" and "woman" to denote age, which can be important to a deity's nature. That was probably because of what was mentioned earlier concerning Artemis.

When a being is ageless, denoting age seems... silly. You can describe Artemis in terms that indicate a general age: her being a virgin, or a maiden, or what have you. But man and woman are too general. A male human is a man at 20 just as he is a man at 80. Yet a man at 20 and a man at 80 are at very different stages of their lives, and so I think the label would not work, if it weren't a label for male human beings in the first place.  

[Nomad of Nowhere]

TeaDidikai

Teague the Druid

I don't see any evidence for a rule against referring to gods in "human" terms.

Wouldn't that depend on the deities? When it comes to the Hellenic gods- wouldn't the prohibition against hubris in the Maxims apply?

It might if you feel that it somehow abases the gods. I tend to think of hubris more as humans putting on godlike airs and things such as that, whereas I'm not sure I can say that humans are making a deity into more of a mortal when they define it with terms that are shared with mortals. Neither do I see how it's any different from the Hellenic gods being carved in the likeness of humans in statues. I agree that it would depend on the deity though.  

[TeaDidikai]

Teague the Druid

I tend to think of hubris more as humans putting on godlike airs and things such as that, whereas I'm not sure I can say that humans are making a deity into more of a mortal when they define it with terms that are shared with mortals.

So when Arachni pointed out the follies of the gods- that was her making herself more godlike?

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Neither do I see how it's any different from the Hellenic gods being carved in the likeness of humans in statues. I agree that it would depend on the deity though.

That's assuming that the presentation is invalid.  

[Nomad of Nowhere]

Tagra Nar

When a being is ageless, denoting age seems... silly. You can describe Artemis in terms that indicate a general age: her being a virgin, or a maiden, or what have you. But man and woman are too general. A male human is a man at 20 just as he is a man at 80. Yet a man at 20 and a man at 80 are at very different stages of their lives, and so I think the label would not work, if it weren't a label for male human beings in the first place.

You listed "youth" as a word that could be applied to both mortals and gods. You were correct in that- the relative "youth" or "age" of a deity can go a long way to define them, as does whatever animal or creature they take the form of, though for some reason no one argues that a snake-god cannot be called a snake-god.

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You're taking labels that do work with gods and humans (youth, bearded) and equating them with ones that do not (man, woman, boy, girl). And are continuously repeating that, despite those labels being distinctly human.

Actually, boy or young man is sort of implied in "Kourros". I can see you have a mental block against this, and that you'll accept any words to define a deity other than man or woman, even if they carry the same connotations.
 

[Morgandria]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuCHoC55EKM&feature=related

Um...yeah. Don't have much else to add to the conversation. sweatdrop  

[Nomad of Nowhere]

TeaDidikai

So when Arachni pointed out the follies of the gods- that was her making herself more godlike?

She was when she said she could weave more skillfully than Athena. Pointing out the follies of the gods borders on acting surperior to them, so that fits as well.  

[Tagra Nar]

Teague the Druid

Actually, boy or young man is sort of implied in "Kourros". I can see you have a mental block against this, and that you'll accept any words to define a deity other than man or woman, even if they carry the same connotations.

I would think a young god, or a god in the image of a young man, is more implied there than him being a boy or young man himself.
I really don't like people commenting on what my mental landscape consists of, especially ones that I do not know personally. While "man" or "boy," or "girl" or "woman" may be implied in the epithets of the Gods, labeling them as man or woman is improper. This is not a mental block. This is knowing the application of a term used to denote a male human and female human respectively, and that applying said denotations to gods either doesn't make sense or is improper. God and Goddess seem to be applicable labels when making note of what gender, say, Apollo and Athena are.  

[TeaDidikai]

So, for the sake of irony, zOMG switched the ethnic slur of one group for the ethnic slur of another group.

Nicu is no longer a G~, he's now a T~- an ethnic slur for the Pavee. gonk  

[Maze]

Time for another petition? I'll sign. This is kind of special, though.. XD  

[TeaDidikai]

Maze

Time for another petition? I'll sign. This is kind of special, though.. XD

I'm wondering if I should start a new one or simply revamp the one I have.

As soon as Wing logs on, I'm hoping he can do some homework for me. I've already sent off an email to a Pavee rights organization with hopes of a response.  

[Morgandria]

TeaDidikai

So, for the sake of irony, zOMG switched the ethnic slur of one group for the ethnic slur of another group.

Nicu is no longer a G~, he's now a T~- an ethnic slur for the Pavee. gonk

Oh, for the love of Benji... neutral