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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:17 pm
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:49 pm
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Eh, if its truly her choice, then no one can really force her to do otherwise, but from what you say it sounds like there could be some pressure on her not to tell so as not to get her "friends" or whatnot in trouble.
I agree with you up to a point. To me its about harm. If people consider your lifestyle unethical, but it harms no one, then do what makes you happy. For example, if Bob is homosexual and some people think that's wrong, Bob should nontheless do what makes him happy because it's not hurting anyone and it makes him happy. Simularly, if Jack and Jill are swingers, and swinging is what puts smiles on their faces, then they should do their thing regardless of what people think because they're not hurting anyone. However, if what you do makes another person unhappy, then you shouldnt do it. If Al enjoys raping children, he shouldn't be allowed to do so because in that case, his happiness makes someone else unhappy. Yes, life is too short to unneccesarily follow someone elses wishes at the expense of your own unhappiness, but it's also too short to spend much of it deeply unhappy because of someone elses actions, because of something that wasn't your fault in any way. Like, if Bob wants to rape someone, there are many other ways he can express that urge. He can have rape fantasies. He can look at porn in which people play getting raped. He can write or read about rape. He can engage in consensual activities with willing adults who enjoy pretending to get raped. If Bob goes out and rapes someone on the other hand, he can deeply mess up another persons life. Rape and sexual abuse victims are far more likely to develop eating disorders, PTSD, depression, social anxiety, sexual disfunction, suicidal tendencies then people who were not sexually assaulted. People who experience sexual abuse are more likely to be re-victimized, to engage in prostitution, etc then other people. ALL of those things are deeply harmful, and in some cases, very, very hard to get over (recovery stastics for eating disorders, for example, are quite meh). Further, on the off chance that Bob actually gets reported, arrested, and succesfully prosecuted, he gets to go to jail, where he in turn might get raped by that big dude on his cell block, and stands a nice chance of contracting nifty things like AIDS and Hepetitis, since the US prison system isn't all that big on needle exchanges, giving condoms to prisoners, etc. The same applies to other crimes and behaviors that hurt people, just using the rape one since this is what brought things up.
And yeah. You got cassie into ranting mode. Cassie apologies for being longwinded rofl
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:14 pm
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:30 pm
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Is your real name Al or something? 0___o
Not something Cassie feels like discussing.
Reading Cassies rants is good indeed.
No, it's not whatever makes him happy, because what makes him happy makes other people deeply unhappy, and while he has alternative ways of making himself happy, his potential victims don't.
Thats not the same thing. If someone wants to engage in drug use and prostitituion, I have nothing against that, because said person is not harming other people through her behavior. As I said, I'm against it if it's hurting OTHERS who don't have a choice in the matter. If she was smoking crack while pregnant, then yes that is wrong. By herself? It's her own health she's ruining, so whatever.
Life is whatever you make of it. If working towards a high-earning career is what makes you happy, what gives you purpose in life, what you dream of, then that's what you pursue. If you enjoy learning, then do so. If school is not for you, then do the minimum and quit. If working minimum wage all your life is the lifestyle for you, then do it. Society needs janitors as much as it needs engineers. In the current globalized economy, if you want to be a engineer, there's an immigrant perfectly willing to be a janitor. You want to be a janitor? Immigrant engineers are aplenty. THe girl's chosen lifestyle is no better or worse then any other one, in my opinion. If to you it's a waste, engage in another. If to her its admirable, then she should pursue it.
thats....interesting 0___o
I feel sorta bad for turnign the chatterbox into a serious discussion. I can help but argue when I disagree with something though sweatdrop xd
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:45 pm
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Close enough...
No shame. Who needs shyness anyways?
I should get a prize.
What if a person wants to commit suicide and die? From what you're saying that person cannot because their family and friends will be hurt, not physically but mentally and emotionally. So, from what I understand on your philosophy, a person can't commit suicide until he or she are what I like to call "free". Now, in this world a person is hardly ever free. The "free" that I'm reffering to is my own and personal defenition of freedom.
If you look at the situation that happened, it is clear that if that chickie hadn't been drinking, and such an amount as to put her out, this probably not have happened. I am all for taking advantage of situations. If they go in my favor, I'm all happy. As not to contradict myself, I'm saying that if I am in a certain situation and someone takes advantage of me in some way, I must not complain but accept that fact because if they were vulnerable i might have done the same to then. (This part wasn't reffering to rape. Something among more general lines... like someone being passed out with a wallet or money... or maybe taking advanage of a person's memory.) Now, I wouldn't take advantage of my family. Oh no. But of my friends and people that I do not know, by all means. No mercy.
Don't feel bad, feel Jar Jar. (That is definately plagerized.)
Well, I say this Chatterbox could use some spicing up and we're chattering... in excess.
Oh, here's something I heard somewhere, but I can't remember where... I'd be greatful if anyone could tell me:
"I'd like to leave this world the same way I came into it: screaming, naked and coming out of a v****a."
I think it was some comedian... I'm not sure though.
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:57 pm
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Suicide is a different manner and I have very nuanced views on it. For example, a 16 year old attempting suicide should not be treated in the same way as a 36 year old with a history of mental illness, or a 66 year old with chronic/terminal physical illness. Further it can go either way because on one hand, the person commiting sjuicide is hurting friends and family through their actions, but on the other friends and family forcing someone who genuinly does not wish to live (her the nuances between the 16 year old, the 36 year old, the 66 year old come in) to do so just for their own happiness is hurting them too.
Honestly, I don't want to discuss this with you anymore. We obviously have differnet ways of looking at the world, and whatever. Since this is supposed to be a nice and friendly elven enviroment and all, lets consider the rape discussion closed, ok?
besides, Cassie needs to save her brain powers and arguing skills for the 2 papers she must write this weekend whee gonk rofl
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:07 pm
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:14 pm
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:20 pm
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:02 pm
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:36 pm
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:12 pm
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:30 am
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:17 pm
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