Capital Punishment

[Zolof Keeper Of Souls]

rmcdra

Call Me Apple

I'd like to post the real question here: What would Jesus do?

I already addressed this but I believe a present day Jesus would be opposed to the Death Penalty. A historical Jesus would probably be okay with the death penalty. Since I don't follow dead men, I'm more incline to side with a present day Jesus than a 1st century CE Jesus.

I highly doubt any Jesus would be ok with the death penalty. Jesus is in fact alive and not dead btw razz . Even back then he said that if a man hits you then you turn the other cheek...  

[rmcdra]

Call Me Apple

rmcdra

Call Me Apple

I'd like to post the real question here: What would Jesus do?

I already addressed this but I believe a present day Jesus would be opposed to the Death Penalty. A historical Jesus would probably be okay with the death penalty. Since I don't follow dead men, I'm more incline to side with a present day Jesus than a 1st century CE Jesus.

Why do you say present day jesus would oppose the death penalty?

Because prophets traditionally not preach God's Will but address social problems concern where God's people are getting things wrong. Seeing as we are more aware that the death penalty is clearly not a loving act, it doesn't help victims, it is a system too often abused, and we have the tools and resources to rehabilitate criminals, I could see a modern day Jesus preaching against it.  

[rmcdra]

Zolof Keeper Of Souls

rmcdra

Call Me Apple

I'd like to post the real question here: What would Jesus do?

I already addressed this but I believe a present day Jesus would be opposed to the Death Penalty. A historical Jesus would probably be okay with the death penalty. Since I don't follow dead men, I'm more incline to side with a present day Jesus than a 1st century CE Jesus.

I highly doubt any Jesus would be ok with the death penalty. Jesus is in fact alive and not dead btw razz . Even back then he said that if a man hits you then you turn the other cheek...

These verse would seem to indicate that he could have supported it:

Matthew 13

40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Next I know Christ is not dead. Christ is very much alive.  

[Zolof Keeper Of Souls]

rmcdra

Zolof Keeper Of Souls

rmcdra

Call Me Apple

I'd like to post the real question here: What would Jesus do?

I already addressed this but I believe a present day Jesus would be opposed to the Death Penalty. A historical Jesus would probably be okay with the death penalty. Since I don't follow dead men, I'm more incline to side with a present day Jesus than a 1st century CE Jesus.

I highly doubt any Jesus would be ok with the death penalty. Jesus is in fact alive and not dead btw razz . Even back then he said that if a man hits you then you turn the other cheek...

These verse would seem to indicate that he could have supported it:

Matthew 13

40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Next I know Christ is not dead. Christ is very much alive.

In the future yes, there will be judgement, yes people will die. But not now.  

[rmcdra]

Zolof Keeper Of Souls

rmcdra

Zolof Keeper Of Souls

rmcdra

Call Me Apple

I'd like to post the real question here: What would Jesus do?

I already addressed this but I believe a present day Jesus would be opposed to the Death Penalty. A historical Jesus would probably be okay with the death penalty. Since I don't follow dead men, I'm more incline to side with a present day Jesus than a 1st century CE Jesus.

I highly doubt any Jesus would be ok with the death penalty. Jesus is in fact alive and not dead btw razz . Even back then he said that if a man hits you then you turn the other cheek...

These verse would seem to indicate that he could have supported it:

Matthew 13

40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Next I know Christ is not dead. Christ is very much alive.

In the future yes, there will be judgement, yes people will die. But not now.

Minority Report razz  

[Matt Pniewski]

Z-MusicalChairMassacre-U

Call Me Apple

Z-MusicalChairMassacre-U

I agree with this, if it wasn't a huge waste of tax money I'd say put um away somewhere and let u live their lives thinking about what they did in a closed cell all alone

So you'd want to save tax money and just fry them all?
Classy. Very Christian of you.

Thats not what I said neutral

I have a daughter and a house I need to keep, I don't wanna pay for some guy to eat streak for the rest of his life whille I live off of whatever I can scratch up because he killed someone. I'm very christian and I help whoever I can however I can but I still have to protect my own family.

Back on the topic however..What I ment is if we placed everyone on death row in jail for life instead over the years the jail would become over populated and it would cost the inoccent citizen thousands in taxes for new jails, the jailers food, clothes, and other needs. Now also think I' not talking about one or two needy jailers, I'm talking about ALL of them. Teachers and other good people being paied by our taxes are already under payed because of such issues.

Now on the same note I'm not tlking about shotting a puppy on the side of the rd to save it rom the pain of being homeless or under fed, I'm not talking about arresting poor homless guys for sitting around. I'm talking about criminals who have killed people, raped children, and hurt/distroyed lives.

Now I'm not saying death penalty for all, I'm against it too. I' just explaing why they can't do away with it completely

Ah, but right now it costs more to give somebody death, because of the various legal procedures, appeals, ect. Things we can't do away with, because they are the only thing keeping innocent people like the "West Memphis Three" alive.

Or, well, probably innocent. There is no evidence that they committed any crime whatsoever, and more evidence in favor of other suspects.  

[Zolof Keeper Of Souls]

rmcdra

Zolof Keeper Of Souls

rmcdra

Zolof Keeper Of Souls

rmcdra

I already addressed this but I believe a present day Jesus would be opposed to the Death Penalty. A historical Jesus would probably be okay with the death penalty. Since I don't follow dead men, I'm more incline to side with a present day Jesus than a 1st century CE Jesus.

I highly doubt any Jesus would be ok with the death penalty. Jesus is in fact alive and not dead btw razz . Even back then he said that if a man hits you then you turn the other cheek...

These verse would seem to indicate that he could have supported it:

Matthew 13

40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Next I know Christ is not dead. Christ is very much alive.

In the future yes, there will be judgement, yes people will die. But not now.

Minority Report razz

XD looooooollll, can't help but laugh at that one XD. who says discussion can't be fun.  

[Z-MusicalChairMassacre-U]

Matt Pniewski

Z-MusicalChairMassacre-U

Call Me Apple

Z-MusicalChairMassacre-U

I agree with this, if it wasn't a huge waste of tax money I'd say put um away somewhere and let u live their lives thinking about what they did in a closed cell all alone

So you'd want to save tax money and just fry them all?
Classy. Very Christian of you.

Thats not what I said neutral

I have a daughter and a house I need to keep, I don't wanna pay for some guy to eat streak for the rest of his life whille I live off of whatever I can scratch up because he killed someone. I'm very christian and I help whoever I can however I can but I still have to protect my own family.

Back on the topic however..What I ment is if we placed everyone on death row in jail for life instead over the years the jail would become over populated and it would cost the inoccent citizen thousands in taxes for new jails, the jailers food, clothes, and other needs. Now also think I' not talking about one or two needy jailers, I'm talking about ALL of them. Teachers and other good people being paied by our taxes are already under payed because of such issues.

Now on the same note I'm not tlking about shotting a puppy on the side of the rd to save it rom the pain of being homeless or under fed, I'm not talking about arresting poor homless guys for sitting around. I'm talking about criminals who have killed people, raped children, and hurt/distroyed lives.

Now I'm not saying death penalty for all, I'm against it too. I' just explaing why they can't do away with it completely

Ah, but right now it costs more to give somebody death, because of the various legal procedures, appeals, ect. Things we can't do away with, because they are the only thing keeping innocent people like the "West Memphis Three" alive.

Or, well, probably innocent. There is no evidence that they committed any crime whatsoever, and more evidence in favor of other suspects.

Maybe so, I was just trying to explain I wasn't a heartless meanie sweatdrop In any case like stated above I don't belive in the death penalty but the country will always do what it thinks is best to keep itself going, sacrfice one to save the many in some cases  

[Lazarus The Resurected]

If they let me, I'd personaly kill every child molester and rapist in every country and state that still allows the death penalty. Wouldn't cost taxpayers anything. Murder isn't as cut and dry. Personaly I think that murder is justified most of the time. then again my religion teaches to smash those who smite us (Satan 3:7). So, I tend to find more ways to justify murder than most people. That being said I'm a bigger supporter of the ideas of corporal punishment and forced labour as alternatives to the death penalty. beating someone bloody in public is much more effective as a deterrant than killing them in a closed, ritualized ceremony. Forced labour would at least let inmates do something productive rather than sit in cells.
Jesus when he was walking the earth probably sawe countless executions. The romans whose rule he lived under were big on killing criminals and the jews he was raised amongst stoned all kinds of people. Can't find a record of how he felt about it though.
I do have to ask one thing: since when have christians cared? you guys have been burning heretics since you gained a majority in the 4th or 5th century.  

[Karo Kiba]

Lazarus, I think it's a bit unfair to say that 'we've been buring heretics since the 4th or 5th century', when in many cases those incidents have been either cases of people out to get perhaps land or money, or attention (salem witch trials). Also, in many cases involving supposed heresy, the charges were brought by people who didn't exactly favor the accused. Not to mention that the charges were often brought by church individuals and not massive groups of believers. And Christians have cared for a long time.

"But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them.The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

“No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

John 8:1-11  

[Lazarus The Resurected]

So he stopped 1 stoning. Maybe he was doing it to make a point to the Teachers of the Law maybe he was making a larger point about all execution, I don't know.

As for all of your examples regarding my earlier question, I'd like to point out that there were still hundreds of thousands of people killed over the years under church law. The executions were infact sanctioned by various churches as punishment for the crime of heresy. Also, what about the european witch hunts? Or the Inquisition? And I'm just bringing up the cases in wich death was used as a penalty for a crime. Don't even get me started on the genocides or the crusades.  

[freelance lover]

Lazarus The Resurected

So he stopped 1 stoning. Maybe he was doing it to make a point to the Teachers of the Law maybe he was making a larger point about all execution, I don't know.

As for all of your examples regarding my earlier question, I'd like to point out that there were still hundreds of thousands of people killed over the years under church law. The executions were infact sanctioned by various churches as punishment for the crime of heresy. Also, what about the european witch hunts? Or the Inquisition? And I'm just bringing up the cases in wich death was used as a penalty for a crime. Don't even get me started on the genocides or the crusades.

Let us remember to charge people's action on them and not what they may claim to represent. Just because Christians have killed people in God's name, doesn't mean it's something that is in line with Christ's teachings.  

[Lazarus The Resurected]

freelance lover

Lazarus The Resurected

So he stopped 1 stoning. Maybe he was doing it to make a point to the Teachers of the Law maybe he was making a larger point about all execution, I don't know.

As for all of your examples regarding my earlier question, I'd like to point out that there were still hundreds of thousands of people killed over the years under church law. The executions were infact sanctioned by various churches as punishment for the crime of heresy. Also, what about the european witch hunts? Or the Inquisition? And I'm just bringing up the cases in wich death was used as a penalty for a crime. Don't even get me started on the genocides or the crusades.

Let us remember to charge people's action on them and not what they may claim to represent. Just because Christians have killed people in God's name, doesn't mean it's something that is in line with Christ's teachings.

Fair enough. I appologize for my earlier rudeness.  

[freelance lover]

Lazarus The Resurected

freelance lover

Lazarus The Resurected

So he stopped 1 stoning. Maybe he was doing it to make a point to the Teachers of the Law maybe he was making a larger point about all execution, I don't know.

As for all of your examples regarding my earlier question, I'd like to point out that there were still hundreds of thousands of people killed over the years under church law. The executions were infact sanctioned by various churches as punishment for the crime of heresy. Also, what about the european witch hunts? Or the Inquisition? And I'm just bringing up the cases in wich death was used as a penalty for a crime. Don't even get me started on the genocides or the crusades.

Let us remember to charge people's action on them and not what they may claim to represent. Just because Christians have killed people in God's name, doesn't mean it's something that is in line with Christ's teachings.

Fair enough. I appologize for my earlier rudeness.

No worries. I just feel many groups get saddled with the blame of a few people, because the people "did it in the name of x". Kind of like how Muslims are getting the short end of the stick these days, because a small minority feels the need to resort to violence.  

[Matt Pniewski]

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I do have to ask one thing: since when have christians cared? you guys have been burning heretics since you gained a majority in the 4th or 5th century.

You know I wasn't there, right?