Capital Punishment

[The Amazing Ryuu]

I'm not really for or against capital punishment. I mean, I think if you've killed enough people, you just don't deserve any more chances, aren't going to be receptive to any rehabilitation, and might never feel any remorse so keeping you alive as punishment is a null point. I'm not gung-ho over the idea, but I'm not going to protest about it either. The prisons themselves though... that's a whole different animal. wink  

[freelance lover]

The Amazing Ryuu

I'm not really for or against capital punishment. I mean, I think if you've killed enough people, you just don't deserve any more chances, aren't going to be receptive to any rehabilitation, and might never feel any remorse so keeping you alive as punishment is a null point. I'm not gung-ho over the idea, but I'm not going to protest about it either. The prisons themselves though... that's a whole different animal. wink

This is honestly kind of how I feel. Overall, I'm against, but I mean, Hitler? I would totally advocate killing him. I feel like there are people who just deserve it. But am I even allowed to make these judgement?

I think the outside factors, like the way it affects those responsible for carrying out the execution, the fact it's so much more expensive, and the unnecessary grief it causes the victim's families kind of sways me toward abolition. But even then, it's such a difficult line to walk.  

[The Amazing Ryuu]

freelance lover

I feel like there are people who just deserve it. But am I even allowed to make these judgement?

I'm fairly sure that judging them according to the law isn't the same as judging them from a self-righteous position. In this entire topic, there hasn't been one mention of sin, or the obvious fact that any act that could result in the death penalty is definitely a sin. We might not have the wisdom to make these judgments, but it seems like we're all focusing more on whether or not to permanently remove an individual from society rather than the moral implications of killing someone.

Interestingly, I watched a documentary some time past about a killer, and the men whose job it was to administer the lethal injection. One of them was a fervent Christian, and he admitted he didn't know if he was doing right, but he also felt that justice was being served this way. I wish I could remember the name of it.

Though, if we do want to go the route of whether or not it's supported in the Bible, I suppose it depends on whether you feel a stronger affinity toward the OT or NT. Jesus talked about turning the other cheek and being good even to those who have wronged you. The OT... half of the laws end in "and shall be stoned to death." EVERYTHING resulted in the death penalty. I'm actually surprised at some of the transgressions that could end up getting one killed. I guess in a time where stoning was imminent upon getting caught, death was a pretty successful deterrent. Nowadays the appeals process is so long that someone being put to death has no emotional connection to the crime, other than in the hearts of the families surrounding the victim and the criminal. And lethal injection is a lot more fair than some people deserve. They're given a shot first to render them unconscious and THEN given the lethal shot (or do they combine them now?), so they're not even awake for it.  

[Call Me Apple]

I am 100% against the Death Penalty.
And I dont think being a believer of God is cohesive with capital punishment.


#1 Reason I dont support it is because our justice system is not always JUST. I do believe that a lot of the time DA's and cops just want a body to find guilty to appease the people.

With this being said, people who have served years and years in prision have been exonerated due to DNA evidence.

This is a list worldwide of people on death row later found not guilty. Look how many people were included AFTER 1999, that is inexcusable!  

[The Amazing Ryuu]

So then, instead of the death penalty, what sort of punishment should there be in prisons (other than prison itself, which is debatable whether or not it's a punishment at all)? Should the law take upon itself to give punishments? Or should we just put these people away to never see and hear from them again?  

[Matt Pniewski]

The Amazing Ryuu

So then, instead of the death penalty, what sort of punishment should there be in prisons (other than prison itself, which is debatable whether or not it's a punishment at all)? Should the law take upon itself to give punishments? Or should we just put these people away to never see and hear from them again?

Our greatest gift is our freedom, so wouldn't our greatest punishment be taking away that freedom?  

[Z-MusicalChairMassacre-U]

Matt Pniewski

The Amazing Ryuu

So then, instead of the death penalty, what sort of punishment should there be in prisons (other than prison itself, which is debatable whether or not it's a punishment at all)? Should the law take upon itself to give punishments? Or should we just put these people away to never see and hear from them again?

Our greatest gift is our freedom, so wouldn't our greatest punishment be taking away that freedom?

I agree with this, if it wasn't a huge waste of tax money I'd say put um away somewhere and let u live their lives thinking about what they did in a closed cell all alone  

[Call Me Apple]

Z-MusicalChairMassacre-U

I agree with this, if it wasn't a huge waste of tax money I'd say put um away somewhere and let u live their lives thinking about what they did in a closed cell all alone

So you'd want to save tax money and just fry them all?
Classy. Very Christian of you.  

[Call Me Apple]

The Amazing Ryuu

So then, instead of the death penalty, what sort of punishment should there be in prisons (other than prison itself, which is debatable whether or not it's a punishment at all)? Should the law take upon itself to give punishments? Or should we just put these people away to never see and hear from them again?

I will happily pay taxes to have people spend their life in prison rather than let someone play God and have them killed.  

[Z-MusicalChairMassacre-U]

Call Me Apple

Z-MusicalChairMassacre-U

I agree with this, if it wasn't a huge waste of tax money I'd say put um away somewhere and let u live their lives thinking about what they did in a closed cell all alone

So you'd want to save tax money and just fry them all?
Classy. Very Christian of you.

Thats not what I said neutral

I have a daughter and a house I need to keep, I don't wanna pay for some guy to eat streak for the rest of his life whille I live off of whatever I can scratch up because he killed someone. I'm very christian and I help whoever I can however I can but I still have to protect my own family.

Back on the topic however..What I ment is if we placed everyone on death row in jail for life instead over the years the jail would become over populated and it would cost the inoccent citizen thousands in taxes for new jails, the jailers food, clothes, and other needs. Now also think I' not talking about one or two needy jailers, I'm talking about ALL of them. Teachers and other good people being paied by our taxes are already under payed because of such issues.

Now on the same note I'm not tlking about shotting a puppy on the side of the rd to save it rom the pain of being homeless or under fed, I'm not talking about arresting poor homless guys for sitting around. I'm talking about criminals who have killed people, raped children, and hurt/distroyed lives.

Now I'm not saying death penalty for all, I'm against it too. I' just explaing why they can't do away with it completely  

[Zolof Keeper Of Souls]

Call Me Apple

The Amazing Ryuu

So then, instead of the death penalty, what sort of punishment should there be in prisons (other than prison itself, which is debatable whether or not it's a punishment at all)? Should the law take upon itself to give punishments? Or should we just put these people away to never see and hear from them again?

I will happily pay taxes to have people spend their life in prison rather than let someone play God and have them killed.

I don't think he was talking about taxes. He was talking about the fact that it's hard to even call the death penalty punishment. Some people never lived there lives using there freedoms anyway, so putting them in jail after they killed someone isn't really a punishment to them. I some countries you don't even really have Freedom so it just wouldn't matter to others. Also the death penalty has a scare factor as well, i know it's bad to say it but its true that people will think twice about taking a life when there own is on the line then when there just going to go to jail. Even criminals fear death.  

[Call Me Apple]

I'd like to post the real question here: What would Jesus do?  

[rmcdra]

Call Me Apple

I'd like to post the real question here: What would Jesus do?

I already addressed this but I believe a present day Jesus would be opposed to the Death Penalty. A historical Jesus would probably be okay with the death penalty. Since I don't follow dead men, I'm more incline to side with a present day Jesus than a 1st century CE Jesus.  

[Call Me Apple]

rmcdra

Call Me Apple

I'd like to post the real question here: What would Jesus do?

I already addressed this but I believe a present day Jesus would be opposed to the Death Penalty. A historical Jesus would probably be okay with the death penalty. Since I don't follow dead men, I'm more incline to side with a present day Jesus than a 1st century CE Jesus.

Why do you say present day jesus would oppose the death penalty?  

[freelance lover]

Z-MusicalChairMassacre-U

Matt Pniewski

The Amazing Ryuu

So then, instead of the death penalty, what sort of punishment should there be in prisons (other than prison itself, which is debatable whether or not it's a punishment at all)? Should the law take upon itself to give punishments? Or should we just put these people away to never see and hear from them again?

Our greatest gift is our freedom, so wouldn't our greatest punishment be taking away that freedom?

I agree with this, if it wasn't a huge waste of tax money I'd say put um away somewhere and let u live their lives thinking about what they did in a closed cell all alone

Generally, it's much cheaper to put someone away for life than it is to give them the death penalty. So if you want to save money, life in prison is your best option. The appeals process for death penalty cases get dragged on so long, it cane sometimes and up being up to four times as expensive as a life in prison sentence.