Harry=Final Horcrux?

[youxonlyxwish]

Think about it, avada kedavra doesn;t leave any markings, so why would it when it failed? Then Harry could be the final horcrux, having to kill himself for the sake of the entire wizarding world. But, Voldemort could have thought that he wouldn't do it, so his last bit of soul, the one in his body, could survie, and so could he, while Harry dies. What do you think?  

[flying_wings]

First off, there are ways to get rid of the soul in the container without destroying the container. This was shown with Dumbledore and the ring.

Well, I think that Harry's not a Horcrux on purpose or accidently.
For on purpose- Voldemort's tried to kill Harry way too many times for that.
For accidently- I think that Lily's loving sacrifice blocked the 'unblockable' Avada Kedavra, so why not the Horcrux spell. Especially with love being the most powerful magic, including advanced Dark Magic.

Yeah, Horcruxes are advanced enough and evil enough not to be in the extensive Hogwarts library except for the slightest mention in the darkest books. Hardly 'swish and flick' magic; so Voldemort wouldn't have a lot of time to do anything like make a Horcrux. He went to Godric's Hollow to kill Harry, one of two babies that could possibly 'vanquish' him. So he figured to n** this in the bud and get on with conquering the world; so why else would he give Lily so many chances to step aside? He wanted to do this quickly, so the waiting time wouldn't be very big between killing Lily and trying to kill Harry. Definitely not enough time to make a Horcrux.  

[youxonlyxwish]

but the ring was kinda destroyed... it had that big crack...  

[flying_wings]

The crack might be the Perevell coat of arms engraved on the black stone. We don't know what the coat of arms is, but the crack is the only possible feature mentioned. Although it's possible that decades in the Gaunt home has caused some damage. The crack could be how Dumbledore got the soul out, like Harry pierced the diary with the basilisk fang.  

[Aci Dixinic]

I just re-read the place in HBP where Harry and Dumbledore went into Odgen's memory, and it makes no mention then of the stone being cracked. If it were cracked at that time it would have been mentioned in the description.  

[nomorepeople]

youxonlyxwish

Think about it, avada kedavra doesn;t leave any markings, so why would it when it failed? Then Harry could be the final horcrux, having to kill himself for the sake of the entire wizarding world. But, Voldemort could have thought that he wouldn't do it, so his last bit of soul, the one in his body, could survie, and so could he, while Harry dies. What do you think?

I agree with the fact that Voldemort wouldnt think Harry would kill himself, since we have heard before that Voldemort believes there is nothing worse than death, meaning Harry would rather let Voldy live than kill himself because it would somehow be "better" in Harry's mind.
However, Voldemort and/or Death Eaters have tried to kill Harry in almost every book, using various sneaky techniques, which seems like too much effort to put in to someone he doesnt want to actually kill. (Maybe, instead, hes planning on kidnapping Harry to keep the piece of Voldys soul intact and safe?)  

[SweetMelissa]

I really don't think so. Voldemort would never have intentionally made Harry a Horcrux, and to suggest that he did so accidentally undermines what we learned about their complexity in the last book. Voldemort knew before he ever met with Harry that he wanted, specifically, his soul to be split into seven intact pieces. Upon learning of Harry's existance, Voldemort's only plan for Harry was to kill him. It doesn't make sense for him to put a piece of his soul into the boy just to obliterate it.  

[i_heart_ron]

I think that Harry almost HAS TO BE an unintentional Horcrux...either Harry, or his scar.

It seems to me that a likely scenario for this was almost given to us by Dumbledore, on several occasions. We know that V. finds massive amounts of symbolism in fairly insignificant things, and builds up personal mythologies that unerringly (and blindly!) dictate many of his actions. We know that Voldemort planned to create his sixth and final Horcrux the night he killed the Potters, with Harry's death. We know that Harry's parents were Gryffindor alums living in Godric's Hollow, and that Voldemort was very likely unable to procure a Gryffindor artifact. I believe that he brought something of Rowena's (the intended Horcrux) to Godric's Hollow that night, and convinced himself that Harry's death would lend a Gryffindorian sheen to the occasion, enabling him to "complete" his "set" of Founder's objects without a physical relic of Godric's. Of course, it IN NO WAY implies that Harry's Heir of anything (ew!); Jo's already (thankfully!!) kibboshed the notion of any living Gryffindor scions.

In any case, no one has ever survived a Killing Curse before, so we don't really know what's normal and what isn't. We've also never seen a Horcrux being created (most likely), and have no idea what sort of incantation or ritual is necessary to create one. But I don't think the possibility of living Horcruxes was broached simply because Dumbledore kinda had a vague reason to sort of suspect that maybe Nagini possibly might be one.

SO MUCH is explained by Harry containing a bit of Voldemort's SOUL. Beyond Parseltongue and his emotional relationship to Voldemort, the fact that he was able to ride-along when Nagini attacked Arthur--as they would be "connected" Horcruxes. Additionally, the fact that more than one single soul inhabits Harry demystifies both his uncanny ability to throw off the Imperious Curse, and, further, why he is so irresistibly appealing to Dementors!

And let's not forget the Chamber debriefing:

Quote:

"Not something he intended to do, I'm sure..."
"Voldemort put a bit of himself in me?"
"It certainly seems so."

 

[flying_wings]

I don't think that Harry is a Horcrux because of Lily's sacrifice. Love, according to the almost always correct Dumbledore, is: "...at once more wonderful and more terrible than death, than human intelligence, than forces of nature."
Lily's love for Harry protected him from the 'unblockable' Avada Kedavra, so why not from becoming a Horcrux?  

[Aci Dixinic]

I also disagree with the Harry = Horcrux movement. Why would V try to kill Harry all the time if he knew he was a Horcrux? And as for unintentional, I think you would know. I'm pretty sure there is at the least an incantation, maybe a potion, and/or some sort of ritual. Like with the resurrection. For such dark magic I doubt it'd be just "Woot, you're dead. Okay soul, (rip) in you go. (rustle rustle purr)"

I think that Frank Bryce was the last Horcrux for several reasons.

1) As Dumbledore said, at that time we're pretty sure he was one Horcrux short of his lucky number. So hes thinking, well, I sure would like another Horcrux. And in hobbles a Muggle, thoroughly pissing him off by threatening to call the police on him in his own house. Well, avada kedavra buddy, and we've got a soul-ripper. How convenient. Look at that, I need a death and the Lord provides.
So he goes Horcruxy on Frank's a**.

2) Has it occured to anyone that the death would be significant to him because Frank Bryce was his grannie's servant? And they were in the Riddle house, where fifty years before he had whacked his granny, poppa and daddy dear?

3) And then of course the Nagini = Slytherin connection.

I'm sorry if this post didn't make much sense. sweatdrop  

[flying_wings]

~I think that Bertha Jorkins was used to make Nagini a Horcrux. Voldemort saves Horcruxes for important deaths. He found out about Crouch Jr. being alive, loyal, and free; as well as the Triwizard Tournament from Bertha Jorkins before she was murdered.

~I agree with Acidic Cynic why Nagini was made a Horcrux: the Slytherin connection with snakes and Parseltongue.

~I also agree with the absurdity of easy Horcrux making. It's advanced Dark Magic not found in the Hogwart's library except for the fact it's barely mentioned in Magick Moste Evil. If you get the idea from the title, Horcrux making is not of the swish and flick caliber.  

[Aci Dixinic]

flying_wings

~I think that Bertha Jorkins was used to make Nagini a Horcrux. Voldemort saves Horcruxes for important deaths. He found out about Crouch Jr. being alive, loyal, and free; as well as the Triwizard Tournament from Bertha Jorkins before she was murdered.

Okay, wait a moment while I plagarise my own post in my quest thread: ...
Here it is.

Acidic Cynic

flying_wings

Do you think that frank bryce or bertha jorkins was used to make Nagini a Horcrux?

Frank Bryce's, because why would Jo have Dumbledore mention that if it weren't true? And also I don't think that Voldemort was in a state to be thinking about Horcruxes until at least getting to his Grandparent's house. At the time they caught and killed Bertha, I don't think he'd had enough nursing by Peter to have the strength for it.
But Frank Bryce came along when he was feeling safe and getting stronger under the ministrations of his minion. So his thoughts would have been turning to the future and thus to Horcruxes.

Has anyone mentioned that a good case for him turning Frank into his last Horcrux was the fact that it was the site of his father and grandparent's murder?

And maybe this should be in the guild...

Timing, wings, timing. At the time of Bertha Jorkins's death he was a bit too... spirity... to be thinking of making a Horcrux. More like a body. But at the time of Frank Bryce's murder his plans were underway, he had a sort-of body and was anticipating getting his old one back; his mind would have turned foward at that point to the last Horcrux.
And his grannie's house as a setting would have meant alot to him personally, since he thinks he is just the best thing since sliced bread, and of course any family of his would be significant.  

[flying_wings]

~True, why mention that he's stronger to show himself.

~On the other hand, we don't know anything about who needs to do what for the spell. We only know that there is a spell, that's it. For all we know, Wormtail could have done most of it. Even though he's incompetant and can't do anything as complex as anything to make a Horcrux could possibly be.  

[i_heart_ron]

I agree that Nagini represents a connection to Slytherin, but so do three of his other Horcruxes (the ring and locket from the Gaunt/Slytherin line, the Diary proving that he is Salazar's Heir); it simply seems redundant and not his style. But perhaps it's a sign that Voldemort is slipping, is panicking....

Incidentally, I'm fairly convinced that he was saving his last Horcrux for Dumbledore. Voldemort had been making Horcruxes for close to forty years before he was disembodied, and he (and we) knew (that) before he completed his first that six was what he wanted. I think that he was waiting and waiting to complete the final one with Dumbledore's murder, which he planned to accomplish personally. But then the prophecy was reported to him, and he changed his mind, and that was rather the beginning of the end.

Because I do think that's his biggest weakness. Or, as I put in in my giant (ambitions to being comprehensive) Voldemort essay on lj: "The two most significant chinks in Voldemort's armour, as revealed thus far, are his habit of underestimating his opponents, and his tendency to depart from his plans when victory is in sight. Both can be summed up in two words: he's cocky."  

[Lisette333]

A lot of people seem to think this. I don't. If Voldemort couldn't posses Harry because he can love, how can he put a piece of his soul into Harry?